Ozair Support for Disrespect of Sahaba Karam (RA)
Its really amazing that ozair is supporting that one should abuse Sahaba Karam (RA) nauzubillah
Rabah ibn al-Harith said: I was sitting with someone in the mosque of Kufah while the people of Kufah were with him. Then Sa'id ibn Zayd ibn Amr ibn Nufayl came and he welcomed him, greeted him, and seated him near his foot on the throne. Then a man of the inhabitants of Kufah, called Qays ibn Alqamah, came. He received him and began to abuse him. Sa'id asked: Whom is this man abusing? He replied: He is abusing Ali. He said: Don't I see that the companions of the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) are being abused, but you neither stop it nor do anything about it? I heard the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) say--and I need not say for him anything which he did not say, and then he would ask me tomorrow when I see him --AbuBakr will go to Paradise and Umar will go to Paradise. He then mentioned the rest of the tradition to the same effect (as in No. 4632). He then said: The company of one of their man whose face has been cove
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I have only one Question from this Moderator. as he is moderator of islam community:
Where in Quran or Hadiths it is mentioned that muslims after salaf can make judgement over Sahaba Karam (RA) by using Quran and Hadiths?? Secondly who gave rights to Ozair to make this judgement?
The to be noted is the owner of community Mudassir have already given this decision about sana case:
Click here to see Mudassir decission.
But still Ozair is supporting the disrespect of Sahaba Karam (RA). I really wonder what type of muslim he is.
Another important thing which should be highlighted here is sana said showed this half part of hadith and manipulated it by hiding the other half part which completes the whole hadith and its context is changed totally because of other half.
Sana said:
It is reported that after Caliph Umar appointed Abu Huraira governor of Bahrain in 21 A.H. (643 C.E.), the people informed the Caliph that Abu Huraira had amassed great wealth and had purchased many horses. Umar therefore deposed him in 23 A.H. and summoned him to his court.
As soon as Abu Huraira entered the court, the Caliph said:
"O enemy of Allah and enemy of His Book! Have you stolen Allah's property?" He replied, "I never committed theft, but the people have given me gifts."
after this she was asked for the reference by Saifi and she gave this reference:
click here to see the post of ozair supporting disrespect by posting a false reference:
Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 –
the Examiner said that the narrators are trustworthy.
We Shias admit the truth from wherever it comes. If Abu Hurairah said something true then we will accept from him but if he lies, then we will reject it."
its so easy to find this reference over net. simply go to google.com and type this reference and you will find it.
take a look what is the real reference in the book and how it manipulated by telling half of it to disrespect Hazrat Abu Huraira (RA).
"Abu Hurayrah was not a destitute and his governship of Al-Medena was not the first! But what could we say about an ignorant who monkey with history? In his caliphate, Omar bin Al-khattab may Allah be pleased at him gave Abu Hurayrah the governship of Al-Bahrain, and Abu Hurayrah had the money. Muhammad bin Sireen says: “Omar handled Abu Hurayrah the governship of Bahrain, and Abu Hurayrah came to Omar with 10,000 Dinars. Omar said to him: “O’ you the enemy of Allah and the enemy of His book! You took exclusive possession of this money?” Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am not the enemy of Allah nor the enemy of His book, but I am the enemy of who take enmity against them.” Omar asked: “Then from where did you get this money?” Abu Hurayrah answered: “I got this money by breeding my horses, my slave labors, and by getting consecutive gifts.” They examined his claim and found him saying the truth. Then Omar asked Abu Hurayrah to take the governship, but Abu Hurayrah refused. Omar said: “You hate to work while a better person than you was seeking it i.e. Yusuf peace be upon him?” Abu Hurayrah said: “Yusuf is a prophet, a son of a prophet who was a son of another prophet and I am Abu Hurayrah the son of Umaymah and I am afraid of three things that have 2 folds each.” Omar asked: “Why would not you say five?” Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am afraid to speak without knowledge, to quell without clemency, afraid that my back would be beaten, that my money would be taken, and that my honor would be insulted.”
Now as we can see sana disrespected Hazrat Abu Huraira (RA) by using half part of hadith. If it was bad according to her than why Hazrat Umar (RA) offered governorship to Hazrat Abu Huraira (RA)
Ozair is supporting sana for all her lies and disrespect of Hazrat Abu Huraira (RA). what a muslim is Ozair?? sana is shia so we can expect anything from her but what type of muslim moderator is Ozair??
lets take a look at how another moderator bolour popedout to support disrespect and calling it being critical:
Suppose a person doesnt believe in a specific narrator of Ahadith as in the light of historical evidence and Quran, character of that person is un-reliable, what would be the reaction of management?
If they ban him/her for such thoughts then they are taking this stand on the lines of community only open for people from Ahle Sunnah and Ahle Hadith.
They are straightly telling the people of Ahul al-Bayt and Ahle Quran that you are Kafirs so look for some other community as in this community such thoughts are considered abuse.
This act would be termed as bigotry and nothing else.
Ouch!!! no one is there to support the moderators who are going against the people who disrespect Sahaba (RA) but these people are surprisingly supporting a gustakh
Sana Proven liar and abuser by saifi:
Suppose a person doesnt believe in a specific narrator of Ahadith as in the light of historical evidence and Quran, character of that person is un-reliable, what would be the reaction of management?
sister kindly se the lies misinterpretations of Sana from sunni texts, her politics on me and unnecessry accusations on other members,,
hope things wil be clear after this
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Once Marwan bin Hakim wanted to test Abu Huraira’s memory. He put a scribe behind a curtain to record whatever hadith Abu Huraira talked about. A year later he called Abu Huraira again and asked him to repeat the recorded hadith. He had not forgotten a single word. He said every single word again.
Abu Huraira wanted others to gain knowledge as well. One day he was passing through the marketplace. He saw people very busy buying and selling. He said, “People of Madinah, what a poor state you are in.”
“What do you mean?” they asked.
“You are here,” said Abu Huraira, “but the Prophet’s inheritance is being given out. Won’t you take your share?”
“Where?” the people asked.
“In the masjid,” replied Abu Huraira. The people quickly went to the masjid. Abu Hurayra waited until they came back. “We went to the masjid,” said some of the people. “But nothing was being given away.”
Abu Huraira asked them, “Didn’t you see anyone there?”
“Yes,” they said. “We saw some people making salat, some others reading the Qur’an and some people discussing halal and haram.”
“Well, that’s the inheritance of the Prophet!” replied Abu Huraira.
Starter
Hazrat Abu Huraira RaziALLAHo Anhoo in his own words:
"I was a poor man, and used to stick to Allah's Apostle contented with what will fill my stomach, and the Muhajirin (emigrants) used to be busy trading in the markets, and the Ansar used to be busy looking after their properties. One day I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'Who will spread his Rida' (a garment covering the upper body) till I finished my speech and then fold it, (i.e. wear it), in which case he will never forget anything he had heard from me?" So I spread my garment which I was wearing; and by Him Who sent Muhammad with the Truth, ever since, I have never forgotten whatever I heard from him (the Prophet)."
Sana first you due to your ignorance misquoted a hadith, and you ignored all this ^^^^ if u have such great knowledge about sunni hadiths'
lets see what ozair has to say about this issue:
This is needed as this issue has been glamorized a lot now!
1- Saifi banned sana for 15 days without consulting any moderators, 1 day ban would not have been questionable, we were online and he could have atleast asked my consent. He said he would post a complaint, instead he banned her.
2- I spoke to saifi, after discussion with sana, i told him that it will create bad image of the moderation action and if we unban her for now and wait for other moderators to respond till then, i gave him guarantee that sana will not use such words in the community and if she does, i will ban her myself, he agreed that bolour/mudassar will take the decision to which both will agree, mudasar gave final warning to sana. Case closed.
3- I think we are forgetting the moto of the change, its not to make people leave the community but to make them more tollerant to each other.
4- She never posted anything after that on the community, her response/proof was on this community and that to defend herself, her replies have been reported as 'fabrication in interpretation' which i think is gramatically not correct, interpretation cant be fabricated, and interpretation cant be a lie.
5- She replied to saifi on the members feedback thread, which should not have been done in the first place as it wasnt a discussion thread, it was mearly a feedback thread. If she replies to saifi on that thread according to her interpretations, that cant be considered as violating the rule.
6- Raheel has given full authority to bolour to handle things in his absence as shes elder and have experience more than any one of us, she has been asked to lead.
7- About the chat, you asked me you wanted to talk to sana, i asked her she approved, we had a chat, she left, you asked me to save the chat and send it to mudasar, i said i dont save private chat, you said then you will mail it, i said do what you think is right, that does not mean i approved of it.
I think by now you understand the difference between abuse and critical analysis, lie and interpretation.
No one knows how suddenly this "Messenger of Sana" turned into supporter of Gustakh and started defending her.
Aqsa in Dawood and other moderators scrap:
12:31 am (4 hours ago)
Point One.1 Sana is Shia so Shias use sunni texts and interpret it differently .[They are wrong but that is what shia's believe] so case against aqeedah is null and void.If Shias are not allowed in the community then add this in rules.
Point Two. 2.Sana already was banned regarding that lying point so no point in banning again.
What are moderators doing? Is Saifi king of the Jungle?
Its really amazing that ozair is supporting that one should abuse Sahaba Karam (RA) nauzubillah
5:31 pm (34 minutes ago)
Ozair:
And yes, the hadiths i gave you were for your following question in your complaint!
my question is whats your duty being a muslim??do islam allow criticizing or abusing Sahaba (RA)??
So i hope, you get the point! Those two hadiths are my answer!
my question is whats your duty being a muslim??do islam allow criticizing or abusing Sahaba (RA)??
So i hope, you get the point! Those two hadiths are my answer!
4:58 pm (1 hour ago)
Nov 5 (1 day ago) Ozair:
yes i only posted the hadith only, no message, read the hadith and see what you can make out of it!
Also, another hadith i found out!
Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 5.466 Narrated byHishams father
I started abusing Hassan in front of 'Aisha. She said, "Do not abuse him as he used to defend Allah's Apostle (against the infidels)." 'Aisha added, "Once Hassan took the permission from the Prophet to say poetic Verses against the infidels. On that the Prophet said, 'How will you exclude my forefathers (from that)?' Hassan replied, 'I will take you out of them as one takes a hair out of the dough.' " Hisham's father added, "I abused Hassan as he was one of those who spoke against 'Aisha."
Also, another hadith i found out!
Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 5.466 Narrated byHishams father
I started abusing Hassan in front of 'Aisha. She said, "Do not abuse him as he used to defend Allah's Apostle (against the infidels)." 'Aisha added, "Once Hassan took the permission from the Prophet to say poetic Verses against the infidels. On that the Prophet said, 'How will you exclude my forefathers (from that)?' Hassan replied, 'I will take you out of them as one takes a hair out of the dough.' " Hisham's father added, "I abused Hassan as he was one of those who spoke against 'Aisha."
Ozair:
Sunan of Abu-DawoodHadith 4633 Narrated bySa'id ibn Zayd ibn Amr ibn NufaylRabah ibn al-Harith said: I was sitting with someone in the mosque of Kufah while the people of Kufah were with him. Then Sa'id ibn Zayd ibn Amr ibn Nufayl came and he welcomed him, greeted him, and seated him near his foot on the throne. Then a man of the inhabitants of Kufah, called Qays ibn Alqamah, came. He received him and began to abuse him. Sa'id asked: Whom is this man abusing? He replied: He is abusing Ali. He said: Don't I see that the companions of the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) are being abused, but you neither stop it nor do anything about it? I heard the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) say--and I need not say for him anything which he did not say, and then he would ask me tomorrow when I see him --AbuBakr will go to Paradise and Umar will go to Paradise. He then mentioned the rest of the tradition to the same effect (as in No. 4632). He then said: The company of one of their man whose face has been cove
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Ozair
Complaint by sana against saifi!
This is my official Complaint Against Saifi...
He was a reason behind my two recent bans which he called as violation of rule#9 i.e. blasphemy...
Before that i was banned when i criticized the word "Aqah" which was interpret as an Abuse by Saifi...
Second Ban: When i used the word "unreliable" for Sahaba....was also considered as an Abuse, and i was banned as i did not provide any proofs...
The use of "UNcle" was again termed as an Abuse....and i was banned again
Now when he called Umul momineen as "confused" or someone who could not understand what Prophet(S) said....Could ALSO be termed as something really bad...which is also EQUALLY offensive in nature...
so what actions would be taken against this person?!? Or he will get away with that ?!?
Double Standards of Saifi should be dealt seriously...or else Stop playing this Ban Ban game with members !!!
This is for saifi in reply to what he said to BOLOUR about the chat:
"Saifi, first of all, you did not tell anyone that you are going to show this chat to others, it wasnt part of the deal, ozair arranged a conference so that your minsunderstandings would be clear, and the chat was kinda casual, in which i was not at all serious ... so any statements said in that cannot be considered as a final say, most of the things i said during the chat were in a sarcastic tone; and i never said wont provide any source…later i even told you, that ill give the source asap.
So, don’t play these mind games with members; u already have lost respect because of this attitude of yours; don’t try to destroy it any further "
He was a reason behind my two recent bans which he called as violation of rule#9 i.e. blasphemy...
Before that i was banned when i criticized the word "Aqah" which was interpret as an Abuse by Saifi...
Second Ban: When i used the word "unreliable" for Sahaba....was also considered as an Abuse, and i was banned as i did not provide any proofs...
The use of "UNcle" was again termed as an Abuse....and i was banned again
Now when he called Umul momineen as "confused" or someone who could not understand what Prophet(S) said....Could ALSO be termed as something really bad...which is also EQUALLY offensive in nature...
so what actions would be taken against this person?!? Or he will get away with that ?!?
Double Standards of Saifi should be dealt seriously...or else Stop playing this Ban Ban game with members !!!
This is for saifi in reply to what he said to BOLOUR about the chat:
"Saifi, first of all, you did not tell anyone that you are going to show this chat to others, it wasnt part of the deal, ozair arranged a conference so that your minsunderstandings would be clear, and the chat was kinda casual, in which i was not at all serious ... so any statements said in that cannot be considered as a final say, most of the things i said during the chat were in a sarcastic tone; and i never said wont provide any source…later i even told you, that ill give the source asap.
So, don’t play these mind games with members; u already have lost respect because of this attitude of yours; don’t try to destroy it any further "
9:43 pm (21 minutes ago)
Ozair
References that saifi asked! (from sana)
“The source which saifi claims which I was unable to provide Is rite here, that’s a sunni source”
Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 –
the Examiner said that the narrators are trustworthy.
We Shias admit the truth from wherever it comes. If Abu Hurairah said something true then we will accept from him but if he lies, then we will reject it.
It is you guys who are always scared to criticize insincere people under the banner of “they are sahabas and they can’t do any wrong”
Check another proof from Sahih book:
Volume 7, Book 64, Number 268:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
"The Prophet said, 'The best alms is that which is given when one is rich, and a giving hand is better than a taking one, and you should start first to support your dependents.' A wife says, 'You should either provide me with food or divorce me.' A slave says, 'Give me food and enjoy my service." A son says, "Give me food; to whom do you leave me?"
The people said, "O Abu Huraira! Did you hear that from Allah's Apostle. He said, "No, it is from my own self."
Saifi still could not explain to me how it was "common knolwedge" that Huraira changed the topic in the middle of a quote, or explained to me why he did so.
Its not the actual hadith I have a problem with, its Abu Huraira's addition to it. I mean why else would the people ask "Is that from the Prophet?" and he would respond "No, it is from myself".
And is it allowed to put in one’s own words in between words of Prophet (s) so as to confuse people.
God knows how many more such words were added that we are unaware of!!
Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 –
the Examiner said that the narrators are trustworthy.
We Shias admit the truth from wherever it comes. If Abu Hurairah said something true then we will accept from him but if he lies, then we will reject it.
It is you guys who are always scared to criticize insincere people under the banner of “they are sahabas and they can’t do any wrong”
Check another proof from Sahih book:
Volume 7, Book 64, Number 268:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
"The Prophet said, 'The best alms is that which is given when one is rich, and a giving hand is better than a taking one, and you should start first to support your dependents.' A wife says, 'You should either provide me with food or divorce me.' A slave says, 'Give me food and enjoy my service." A son says, "Give me food; to whom do you leave me?"
The people said, "O Abu Huraira! Did you hear that from Allah's Apostle. He said, "No, it is from my own self."
Saifi still could not explain to me how it was "common knolwedge" that Huraira changed the topic in the middle of a quote, or explained to me why he did so.
Its not the actual hadith I have a problem with, its Abu Huraira's addition to it. I mean why else would the people ask "Is that from the Prophet?" and he would respond "No, it is from myself".
And is it allowed to put in one’s own words in between words of Prophet (s) so as to confuse people.
God knows how many more such words were added that we are unaware of!!
9:43 pm (21 minutes ago)
Ozair
My all other proofs were rejected by saifi, which were all taken from Sahih books: and he even said umul momineen was “confused” and didn’t understand what prophet (S) said…
And even scholars say that in event of conflict of opinions, wives of Prophets opinions hold greater value as they were more closer to the Prophet regarding private issues. Time and time again Hazrat Ayesha’s correction and weak defenses put forward by Sunni Scholars on this issue is a proof to the fact that Abu Hurrairah did cook up hadeeths.
As I said we shias do not reject all hadeeth of abu hurrairah but to say that Abu Hurrairah is incapable of mistakes is a lie as can be seen from numerous proofs I have submitted.
Somebody just ask him, a wife would understand things better or the one who has just spend 2,3 yrs with prophet (S), As history says he embraced islam just 3 yrs before prophet (S) Death.
And what is the penalty for Saifi who in order to defend Abu Hurrairah have insulted Umm ul Momineen and have called her “confused”?!?
Shame on him for insulting someone whom according to his ideology is one who have been purified from all wrong doings (reference verse 33:33) and whom according to his ideology is considered to be the pillar on which the fiqh of Ahl Sunnah stands.
Such is the defensive attitude of people who do not stoop down to degrade Mother of Believers to save a companion who is controversial and there are ample proofs regarding his controversies.
And final question : if we calculate the no of hadeeth that Abu Hurrairah related in his 3 years of companionship, it comes to around 5 hadeeth every day.
Is it even possible? And we have all the other companions like Ali, Fatima, Hasan, Hussein, Abu Bakr who were with the Prophet (s) for most part of his life and beyond not narrating even one hadeeth per day based on that calculation.
Every sane mind can see the weakness and fallacy that has been created in the name of “ Abu Hurrairah”
And even scholars say that in event of conflict of opinions, wives of Prophets opinions hold greater value as they were more closer to the Prophet regarding private issues. Time and time again Hazrat Ayesha’s correction and weak defenses put forward by Sunni Scholars on this issue is a proof to the fact that Abu Hurrairah did cook up hadeeths.
As I said we shias do not reject all hadeeth of abu hurrairah but to say that Abu Hurrairah is incapable of mistakes is a lie as can be seen from numerous proofs I have submitted.
Somebody just ask him, a wife would understand things better or the one who has just spend 2,3 yrs with prophet (S), As history says he embraced islam just 3 yrs before prophet (S) Death.
And what is the penalty for Saifi who in order to defend Abu Hurrairah have insulted Umm ul Momineen and have called her “confused”?!?
Shame on him for insulting someone whom according to his ideology is one who have been purified from all wrong doings (reference verse 33:33) and whom according to his ideology is considered to be the pillar on which the fiqh of Ahl Sunnah stands.
Such is the defensive attitude of people who do not stoop down to degrade Mother of Believers to save a companion who is controversial and there are ample proofs regarding his controversies.
And final question : if we calculate the no of hadeeth that Abu Hurrairah related in his 3 years of companionship, it comes to around 5 hadeeth every day.
Is it even possible? And we have all the other companions like Ali, Fatima, Hasan, Hussein, Abu Bakr who were with the Prophet (s) for most part of his life and beyond not narrating even one hadeeth per day based on that calculation.
Every sane mind can see the weakness and fallacy that has been created in the name of “ Abu Hurrairah”
9:51 pm (13 minutes ago)
Ozair
Note: I receieved this personally and this is not posted in the Islam Community to abide by the rules of the community
This moderator of Islam Community have no Shame at all who is using Hadiths and Quran to prove one of the Shaba Karam (RA) wrong (nauzubillah). He is fully supporting a shia member Sana who got banned once for disrespecting our beloved Prophet (SAW) and once for disrespecting a Sahabi (RA). again she is willing to disrespect Sahaba Karam (RA) and ozair is supporting her.
Click here to see the thread:
for Sana reality take a look at this screen shot:
As you people can see what words sana used for Hazrat Abu Huraira (RA) for which she got banned from Community.
This is not all look at this image below. after disrespecting Sahaba Karam (RA) she said these were her innocent words. nauzubillah.
The point to think about is not the disrespect done by Aqsa because such people come and behave like this and later they got banned form Community. the amazing part is this "moderator of Islam Community" is supporting her for the disrespect of Sahaba Karam (RA).This moderator of Islam Community have no Shame at all who is using Hadiths and Quran to prove one of the Shaba Karam (RA) wrong (nauzubillah). He is fully supporting a shia member Sana who got banned once for disrespecting our beloved Prophet (SAW) and once for disrespecting a Sahabi (RA). again she is willing to disrespect Sahaba Karam (RA) and ozair is supporting her.
Click here to see the thread:
for Sana reality take a look at this screen shot:
As you people can see what words sana used for Hazrat Abu Huraira (RA) for which she got banned from Community.
This is not all look at this image below. after disrespecting Sahaba Karam (RA) she said these were her innocent words. nauzubillah.
I have only one Question from this Moderator. as he is moderator of islam community:
Where in Quran or Hadiths it is mentioned that muslims after salaf can make judgement over Sahaba Karam (RA) by using Quran and Hadiths?? Secondly who gave rights to Ozair to make this judgement?
The to be noted is the owner of community Mudassir have already given this decision about sana case:
Ice Cream[Away]
Last Warning for Sana
Sana's First Ban. By Raheel On hurting the sentiments of Suni Muslim brothers and usage of incongruous words .
Our Prophet had a Beautiful name "Muhammad" Then why do we add lame prefixes with his name like " Aqa KAreem" or "Aqa saltanat" etc etc....Luks so Cheap !!!
Saifi ji...Maula is not a CHEAP word....
But Aqa kareem sure luks very cheap...
http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=21165834&tid=2561176240159402796
Sana’s 2nd Ban By Saifi On making Fun of Esteemed Sahabi (RA) Nouzubillah min Zalik
http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=21165834&tid=2560287151843977491&na=4&nst=127&nid=21165834-2560287151843977491-2562927798694066856
Repetetion of above mentiond usage of word will lead to some strict Action:-
So Next time be careful .
Thanks.
Allah Hafiz.
Our Prophet had a Beautiful name "Muhammad" Then why do we add lame prefixes with his name like " Aqa KAreem" or "Aqa saltanat" etc etc....Luks so Cheap !!!
Saifi ji...Maula is not a CHEAP word....
But Aqa kareem sure luks very cheap...
http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=
Sana’s 2nd Ban By Saifi On making Fun of Esteemed Sahabi (RA) Nouzubillah min Zalik
http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=
Repetetion of above mentiond usage of word will lead to some strict Action:-
So Next time be careful .
Thanks.
Allah Hafiz.
Click here to see Mudassir decission.
But still Ozair is supporting the disrespect of Sahaba Karam (RA). I really wonder what type of muslim he is.
Another important thing which should be highlighted here is sana said showed this half part of hadith and manipulated it by hiding the other half part which completes the whole hadith and its context is changed totally because of other half.
Sana said:
It is reported that after Caliph Umar appointed Abu Huraira governor of Bahrain in 21 A.H. (643 C.E.), the people informed the Caliph that Abu Huraira had amassed great wealth and had purchased many horses. Umar therefore deposed him in 23 A.H. and summoned him to his court.
As soon as Abu Huraira entered the court, the Caliph said:
"O enemy of Allah and enemy of His Book! Have you stolen Allah's property?" He replied, "I never committed theft, but the people have given me gifts."
after this she was asked for the reference by Saifi and she gave this reference:
click here to see the post of ozair supporting disrespect by posting a false reference:
"Ozair
References that saifi asked! (from sana)
“The source which saifi claims which I was unable to provide Is rite here, that’s a sunni source”Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 –
the Examiner said that the narrators are trustworthy.
We Shias admit the truth from wherever it comes. If Abu Hurairah said something true then we will accept from him but if he lies, then we will reject it."
its so easy to find this reference over net. simply go to google.com and type this reference and you will find it.
take a look what is the real reference in the book and how it manipulated by telling half of it to disrespect Hazrat Abu Huraira (RA).
"Abu Hurayrah was not a destitute and his governship of Al-Medena was not the first! But what could we say about an ignorant who monkey with history? In his caliphate, Omar bin Al-khattab may Allah be pleased at him gave Abu Hurayrah the governship of Al-Bahrain, and Abu Hurayrah had the money. Muhammad bin Sireen says: “Omar handled Abu Hurayrah the governship of Bahrain, and Abu Hurayrah came to Omar with 10,000 Dinars. Omar said to him: “O’ you the enemy of Allah and the enemy of His book! You took exclusive possession of this money?” Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am not the enemy of Allah nor the enemy of His book, but I am the enemy of who take enmity against them.” Omar asked: “Then from where did you get this money?” Abu Hurayrah answered: “I got this money by breeding my horses, my slave labors, and by getting consecutive gifts.” They examined his claim and found him saying the truth. Then Omar asked Abu Hurayrah to take the governship, but Abu Hurayrah refused. Omar said: “You hate to work while a better person than you was seeking it i.e. Yusuf peace be upon him?” Abu Hurayrah said: “Yusuf is a prophet, a son of a prophet who was a son of another prophet and I am Abu Hurayrah the son of Umaymah and I am afraid of three things that have 2 folds each.” Omar asked: “Why would not you say five?” Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am afraid to speak without knowledge, to quell without clemency, afraid that my back would be beaten, that my money would be taken, and that my honor would be insulted.”
Now as we can see sana disrespected Hazrat Abu Huraira (RA) by using half part of hadith. If it was bad according to her than why Hazrat Umar (RA) offered governorship to Hazrat Abu Huraira (RA)
Ozair is supporting sana for all her lies and disrespect of Hazrat Abu Huraira (RA). what a muslim is Ozair?? sana is shia so we can expect anything from her but what type of muslim moderator is Ozair??
Sami سمیع
@Ozair
I haven’t read any posts of sana and I don’t even know that where a discussion took place. But as the name of Hazrat Abu Huraira (RA) is involved in it, I would like to add my few cents.
About the reference: Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612
From the context it seems that sana tried to point out some weakness in Hazrat Abu Huraira (RA). I am rather confused as I couldn’t see anything objectionable about this Sahabi on this page. Here I am quoting the English translation of that referenced page (Ref: http://www.ansar.org/english/answering.htm )
In his caliphate, Omar bin Al-khattab may Allah be pleased at him gave Abu Hurayrah the governship of Al-Bahrain, and Abu Hurayrah had the money. Muhammad bin Sireen says: “Omar handled Abu Hurayrah the governship of Bahrain, and Abu Hurayrah came to Omar with 10,000 Dinars. Omar said to him: “O’ you the enemy of Allah and the enemy of His book! You took exclusive possession of this money?” Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am not the enemy of Allah nor the enemy of His book, but I am the enemy of who take enmity against them.” Omar asked: “Then from where did you get this money?” Abu Hurayrah answered: “I got this money by breeding my horses, my slave labors, and by getting consecutive gifts.” They examined his claim and found him saying the truth. Then Omar asked Abu Hurayrah to take the governship, but Abu Hurayrah refused. Omar said: “You hate to work while a better person than you was seeking it i.e. Yusuf peace be upon him?” Abu Hurayrah said: “Yusuf is a prophet, a son of a prophet who was a son of another prophet and I am Abu Hurayrah the son of Umaymah and I am afraid of three things that have 2 folds each. Omar asked: “Why would not you say five?” Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am afraid to speak without knowledge, to quell without clemency, afraid that my back would be beaten, that my money would be taken, and that my honor would be insulted.”
I haven’t read any posts of sana and I don’t even know that where a discussion took place. But as the name of Hazrat Abu Huraira (RA) is involved in it, I would like to add my few cents.
About the reference: Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612
From the context it seems that sana tried to point out some weakness in Hazrat Abu Huraira (RA). I am rather confused as I couldn’t see anything objectionable about this Sahabi on this page. Here I am quoting the English translation of that referenced page (Ref: http://www.ansar.org/english/answering.
In his caliphate, Omar bin Al-khattab may Allah be pleased at him gave Abu Hurayrah the governship of Al-Bahrain, and Abu Hurayrah had the money. Muhammad bin Sireen says: “Omar handled Abu Hurayrah the governship of Bahrain, and Abu Hurayrah came to Omar with 10,000 Dinars. Omar said to him: “O’ you the enemy of Allah and the enemy of His book! You took exclusive possession of this money?” Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am not the enemy of Allah nor the enemy of His book, but I am the enemy of who take enmity against them.” Omar asked: “Then from where did you get this money?” Abu Hurayrah answered: “I got this money by breeding my horses, my slave labors, and by getting consecutive gifts.” They examined his claim and found him saying the truth. Then Omar asked Abu Hurayrah to take the governship, but Abu Hurayrah refused. Omar said: “You hate to work while a better person than you was seeking it i.e. Yusuf peace be upon him?” Abu Hurayrah said: “Yusuf is a prophet, a son of a prophet who was a son of another prophet and I am Abu Hurayrah the son of Umaymah and I am afraid of three things that have 2 folds each. Omar asked: “Why would not you say five?” Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am afraid to speak without knowledge, to quell without clemency, afraid that my back would be beaten, that my money would be taken, and that my honor would be insulted.”
1:00 pm (5 hours ago)
Sami سمیع
So initially Hazrat Umar (RA) had a doubt about Hazrat Abu Huraira (RA) (which he used to have about every governor). When he clarified it Hazrat Umar (RA) offered him the governorship again which he refused to accept. So the character of both of these Sahaba, as mentioned on the referenced page, was excellent.
I am confused on what Sana actually tired to prove from this reference. Please compare my provided wording with her post to see whether she quoted the reference selectively or completely.
About Bukhari Volume 7, Book 64, Number 268
Sana seems to claim here that Hazrat Abu Huraira (RA) tried to add his own words to this Hadith (Na Uzu Billah). This, however, cannot be the case because of the following reasons:
1. Look at the starting phrase of each of the first 4 sentences:
a. The Prophet said
b. A wife says
c. A slave says
d. A son says
So it was a clear case that only the first sentence belongs to the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم)’s saying. In the next 3 sentences he presented the perspective of 3 other entities (i.e. wives, slaves and sons) concerned about this saying.
2. The people asked him “Did you hear that from Allah's Apostle ?” about the other 3 sentences, and not about the first one. How can they ask about the first one, as he started it by saying “The Prophet said …”
3. It is a clear cut case of describing a Hadith, and then presenting its explanation from the perspective of its concerned entities. He was truthful enough to differentiate it by adding the phrases like “a wife says”, “a slave says”, “a son says” etc. So there is no reason to blame him (of adding his own words to Hadith).
Conclusion
I am not aware that in which context Ozair is presenting sana's posts; nor I am suggesting to take or avoid any moderation action. I only intended to clarify Hazrat Abu Huraira(RA)'s position.
AND ALLAH KNOWS THE BEST!
The above references were given by Sami in the moderation thread to prove the reality of Hadith.
so this messenger or the person who acted like messenger was just posting sana message here. but no one knew this MESSENGER will turn soon into savior of those who disrespect Sahaba (RA)
I am confused on what Sana actually tired to prove from this reference. Please compare my provided wording with her post to see whether she quoted the reference selectively or completely.
About Bukhari Volume 7, Book 64, Number 268
Sana seems to claim here that Hazrat Abu Huraira (RA) tried to add his own words to this Hadith (Na Uzu Billah). This, however, cannot be the case because of the following reasons:
1. Look at the starting phrase of each of the first 4 sentences:
a. The Prophet said
b. A wife says
c. A slave says
d. A son says
So it was a clear case that only the first sentence belongs to the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم)’s saying. In the next 3 sentences he presented the perspective of 3 other entities (i.e. wives, slaves and sons) concerned about this saying.
2. The people asked him “Did you hear that from Allah's Apostle ?” about the other 3 sentences, and not about the first one. How can they ask about the first one, as he started it by saying “The Prophet said …”
3. It is a clear cut case of describing a Hadith, and then presenting its explanation from the perspective of its concerned entities. He was truthful enough to differentiate it by adding the phrases like “a wife says”, “a slave says”, “a son says” etc. So there is no reason to blame him (of adding his own words to Hadith).
Conclusion
I am not aware that in which context Ozair is presenting sana's posts; nor I am suggesting to take or avoid any moderation action. I only intended to clarify Hazrat Abu Huraira(RA)'s position.
AND ALLAH KNOWS THE BEST!
The above references were given by Sami in the moderation thread to prove the reality of Hadith.
5:16 pm (1 hour ago)
Ozair
Sami bhai,
I appreciate your reply and i hold the same openion, i had no context in mind when i presented the proofs by sana which saifi asked for, i only acted as a messenger!
My two cents on the issue! I respect Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) being a truthful sahabi, thats based on my believes and interpretation, sana doesnot believe him to be exactly truthful based on her believes and interpretation, she presented her believes which is not correct in our point of view, you presented your believes which is not correct by her point of view. The difference is in the interpretation and sources which we use to judge him (may Allah be pleased with him). We never punished anyone on how they interpret things, we wont ban a member if he believes Allah has a face and hand and feet, i hope you understand where i am coming from.
I agree with the first ban as using inapropriate words, i dont agree with second ban for presenting the proofs according to her believes!
I appreciate your reply and i hold the same openion, i had no context in mind when i presented the proofs by sana which saifi asked for, i only acted as a messenger!
My two cents on the issue! I respect Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) being a truthful sahabi, thats based on my believes and interpretation, sana doesnot believe him to be exactly truthful based on her believes and interpretation, she presented her believes which is not correct in our point of view, you presented your believes which is not correct by her point of view. The difference is in the interpretation and sources which we use to judge him (may Allah be pleased with him). We never punished anyone on how they interpret things, we wont ban a member if he believes Allah has a face and hand and feet, i hope you understand where i am coming from.
I agree with the first ban as using inapropriate words, i dont agree with second ban for presenting the proofs according to her believes!
so this messenger or the person who acted like messenger was just posting sana message here. but no one knew this MESSENGER will turn soon into savior of those who disrespect Sahaba (RA)
lets take a look at how another moderator bolour popedout to support disrespect and calling it being critical:
5:30 pm (8 hours ago)
Bolour
The sole problem is that people dont understand the difference between criticizing and cursing, which was never the case in early Islamic history which gave us the most valuable theological and philosophical works.Suppose a person doesnt believe in a specific narrator of Ahadith as in the light of historical evidence and Quran, character of that person is un-reliable, what would be the reaction of management?
If they ban him/her for such thoughts then they are taking this stand on the lines of community only open for people from Ahle Sunnah and Ahle Hadith.
They are straightly telling the people of Ahul al-Bayt and Ahle Quran that you are Kafirs so look for some other community as in this community such thoughts are considered abuse.
This act would be termed as bigotry and nothing else.
Ouch!!! no one is there to support the moderators who are going against the people who disrespect Sahaba (RA) but these people are surprisingly supporting a gustakh
Sana Proven liar and abuser by saifi:
7:41 pm (6 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
bolour
Suppose a person doesnt believe in a specific narrator of Ahadith as in the light of historical evidence and Quran, character of that person is un-reliable, what would be the reaction of management?
sister kindly se the lies misinterpretations of Sana from sunni texts, her politics on me and unnecessry accusations on other members,,
hope things wil be clear after this
7:43 pm (6 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
reply to Sana, and her open lies
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
In the name of ALLAH,the Most Merciful,The most Gracious
الصلوة والسلام عليك يارسول الله وعلى آلك واصحابك يا نورالله
AsalaamoAlaikum
Since past few weeks there is an unrest in the community due to miss Sana , now i will like to explain my particular stance on this issue, some members ,after miss Sana got banned named this community as Sunni community or an anti Shia comunity,
i will like to clear one thing,i have no problems with shia aqaids to be written, (if quoted from their own books of hadith,ulemas etc) ,,,but when shias quote wrong material from sunni books. lie about it/misinterpret it to prove their point, then action against them must be taken,
I rarely have a problem with shia members, or rarely debate with them, one reason of it is my whole family is shia, and my caste is naqvi ,and i was a shia few years ago,,so i in personal know very well their beliefs,
seconldy i dont have any problems with all shia muslims, but some people who only like to create fitna and fasad, try to start a shia-sunni clash among muslims, by starting sectarian issues, abusing,cursing and lynig about other sect authentic sources disturbs me,and hence i take action
and action against perochak was taken by me when he abused shias, and i asked Raheel to ban A(a sunni member) who was trying to create a shia-sunni fasad a week ago(this can be confirmed from Raheel)...
Now regarding Miss Sana ,,,i will like to show both shia,and sunni members reasons for her ban,her lies,the way she wanted to start a shia-sunni clash ,her breaking of rule #9, and her brealking of rules and starting a sectarian topic 2 times again n again
In the name of ALLAH,the Most Merciful,The most Gracious
الصلوة والسلام عليك يارسول الله وعلى آلك واصحابك يا نورالله
AsalaamoAlaikum
Since past few weeks there is an unrest in the community due to miss Sana , now i will like to explain my particular stance on this issue, some members ,after miss Sana got banned named this community as Sunni community or an anti Shia comunity,
i will like to clear one thing,i have no problems with shia aqaids to be written, (if quoted from their own books of hadith,ulemas etc) ,,,but when shias quote wrong material from sunni books. lie about it/misinterpret it to prove their point, then action against them must be taken,
I rarely have a problem with shia members, or rarely debate with them, one reason of it is my whole family is shia, and my caste is naqvi ,and i was a shia few years ago,,so i in personal know very well their beliefs,
seconldy i dont have any problems with all shia muslims, but some people who only like to create fitna and fasad, try to start a shia-sunni clash among muslims, by starting sectarian issues, abusing,cursing and lynig about other sect authentic sources disturbs me,and hence i take action
and action against perochak was taken by me when he abused shias, and i asked Raheel to ban A(a sunni member) who was trying to create a shia-sunni fasad a week ago(this can be confirmed from Raheel)...
Now regarding Miss Sana ,,,i will like to show both shia,and sunni members reasons for her ban,her lies,the way she wanted to start a shia-sunni clash ,her breaking of rule #9, and her brealking of rules and starting a sectarian topic 2 times again n again
7:44 pm (6 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
sana open lies and reply to them
-------------------------------Sana accusing saifi of blasphemy-------------------------
now lets us come on recent accusations of sana on me,
sana said quote:
Now when he called Umul momineen as "confused"
or someone who could not understand what Prophet(S) said....Could ALSO be termed as something really bad...which is also EQUALLY offensive in nature...
so what actions would be taken against this person?!? Or he will get away with that ?!?
http://tinyurl.com/39nydo
Well miss Sana is quoting my words here, plz have a look
on these two hadiths
Book 004, Number 1034
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: A woman, an ass and a dog disrupt the prayer, but something like the back of a saddle guards against that.
Sahih Muslim
Book 004, Number 1039:
Al-Aswad reported that 'A'isha said: You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses, whereas I lay on the bedstead and the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) came there and stood in the middle of the bedstead and said prayer. I did not like to take off the quilt from me (in that state), so I moved away quietly from the front legs of the bedstead and thus came .
then sana said after quoting these above hadiths
“You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses” clearly shows the unreliabilty of Abu hurrairah in transmiting ahadeeth and umm ul momeneen herself scolding Abu Hurrairah.
This is what we got from Hazrat Ayesha (RA) who rebuked him (Hadrat Abuhuraira R.A)for making women equal to dogs and asses
plz look what sana said,and look at her own fabricated interpretation of the above hadith of sunni siha e sita books ,,,
now lets us come on recent accusations of sana on me,
sana said quote:
Now when he called Umul momineen as "confused"
or someone who could not understand what Prophet(S) said....Could ALSO be termed as something really bad...which is also EQUALLY offensive in nature...so what actions would be taken against this person?!? Or he will get away with that ?!?
http://tinyurl.com/39nydo
Well miss Sana is quoting my words here, plz have a look
on these two hadiths
Book 004, Number 1034
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: A woman, an ass and a dog disrupt the prayer, but something like the back of a saddle guards against that.
Sahih Muslim
Book 004, Number 1039:
Al-Aswad reported that 'A'isha said: You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses, whereas I lay on the bedstead and the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) came there and stood in the middle of the bedstead and said prayer. I did not like to take off the quilt from me (in that state), so I moved away quietly from the front legs of the bedstead and thus came .
then sana said after quoting these above hadiths
“You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses” clearly shows the unreliabilty of Abu hurrairah in transmiting ahadeeth and umm ul momeneen herself scolding Abu Hurrairah.
This is what we got from Hazrat Ayesha (RA) who rebuked him (Hadrat Abuhuraira R.A)for making women equal to dogs and asses
plz look what sana said,and look at her own fabricated interpretation of the above hadith of sunni siha e sita books ,,,
7:44 pm (6 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
sana open liesand reply to them
my reply was,:
i said here
first this is a lie ,sunni sunnis dont belive in interpretation given by miss sana here to prove SAHABA R.A A LIAR hadrat AYESHA R.A no where scolded HADRAT ABU HURAIRA IN ABOVE HADITH she was only confused as she didnt know the meaning
http://tinyurl.com/2nrbph
first i am still surprised how confused is an abuse,,,i mean saying HADRAT AYESHA R.A was confused considered an abuse,
oxford dictionary meaning of the word confused:
1 to make sb unable to think clearly or understand sth:
3 to make a subject more difficult to understand:
http://www.oup.com/oald-bin/web_getald7index1a.pl
let me give miss sana some examples here of the word confused, and plz tell me how is this an abuse or blasphmey,
* PROPHET MUHAMMAD (saleh ala waalihi wasalam) gave an order and HADRAT OMER R.A became confused, during muslims going for hajj to maakah, and taking bait e rizwan, but later on realised His R.A mistake,and accepted the AQAH KARIM (saleh ala waalihi wasalam) decision was right,
* Similarly SAHABAs R.A used to become confused and AQAH KARIM (saleh ala waalihi wasalam) taught them the right way during different times ,,,
^ where is blasphemy in it,
regarding Hadrat AYesHA R.A hadith, i will explain the full interpreation of that hadith later,which i didnt do before due to lack of time(and i was in a hurry) .....and i will explain how miss Sana lied about hadiths
i said here
first this is a lie ,sunni sunnis dont belive in interpretation given by miss sana here to prove SAHABA R.A A LIAR hadrat AYESHA R.A no where scolded HADRAT ABU HURAIRA IN ABOVE HADITH she was only confused as she didnt know the meaning
http://tinyurl.com/2nrbph
first i am still surprised how confused is an abuse,,,i mean saying HADRAT AYESHA R.A was confused considered an abuse,
oxford dictionary meaning of the word confused:
1 to make sb unable to think clearly or understand sth:
3 to make a subject more difficult to understand:
http://www.oup.com/oald-bin/web_getald7
let me give miss sana some examples here of the word confused, and plz tell me how is this an abuse or blasphmey,
* PROPHET MUHAMMAD (saleh ala waalihi wasalam) gave an order and HADRAT OMER R.A became confused, during muslims going for hajj to maakah, and taking bait e rizwan, but later on realised His R.A mistake,and accepted the AQAH KARIM (saleh ala waalihi wasalam) decision was right,
* Similarly SAHABAs R.A used to become confused and AQAH KARIM (saleh ala waalihi wasalam) taught them the right way during different times ,,,
^ where is blasphemy in it,
regarding Hadrat AYesHA R.A hadith, i will explain the full interpreation of that hadith later,which i didnt do before due to lack of time(and i was in a hurry) .....and i will explain how miss Sana lied about hadiths
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7:45 pm (6 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
MY opinion on Sana's accusation
after miss Sana was Banned three times for blasphemy ,one by Raheel and two times by me, she is just accusing me illogically and in the most chisdish way a things which i did do , or it doesnt seems that i did it from any where, There are people who call PROPHET (saleh ala waalihi wasalam) as not having ilm ,and HE (saleh ala waalihi wasalam) didnt knew of many things, i dont belive that but according to Aqeedah e ahle sunnat wal jammat SAHABAS R.A were fallibles and were unlinke PROPHET(saleh ala waalihiwasalam) who were free from errors or mistakes
Sana said,,,
Double Standards of Saifi should be dealt seriously...or else Stop playing this Ban Ban game with members
http://tinyurl.com/39nydo
first i am feeling contended that you (finally) have obeyed a community rule,and posted all your allegations against SAHABAS R.A here rather then in community,where sect debates are banned and as ozair also agreed to it,that posting this stuff in community might have put you in some trouble,
regarding double standards,i wont comment much, but people who abuse islamic personalities,curse them,blame them for sins, and then ironically use the name of the same to accuse others of blashpemy and play politics with their names, and vomit their frustration ,,,,i call this double standard,
after miss Sana was Banned three times for blasphemy ,one by Raheel and two times by me, she is just accusing me illogically and in the most chisdish way a things which i did do , or it doesnt seems that i did it from any where, There are people who call PROPHET (saleh ala waalihi wasalam) as not having ilm ,and HE (saleh ala waalihi wasalam) didnt knew of many things, i dont belive that but according to Aqeedah e ahle sunnat wal jammat SAHABAS R.A were fallibles and were unlinke PROPHET(saleh ala waalihiwasalam) who were free from errors or mistakes
Sana said,,,
Double Standards of Saifi should be dealt seriously...or else Stop playing this Ban Ban game with members
http://tinyurl.com/39nydo
first i am feeling contended that you (finally) have obeyed a community rule,and posted all your allegations against SAHABAS R.A here rather then in community,where sect debates are banned and as ozair also agreed to it,that posting this stuff in community might have put you in some trouble,
regarding double standards,i wont comment much, but people who abuse islamic personalities,curse them,blame them for sins, and then ironically use the name of the same to accuse others of blashpemy and play politics with their names, and vomit their frustration ,,,,i call this double standard,
7:46 pm (6 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
reply to Sana, her lies and fabricated accusations
then Miss Sana said
This is for saifi in reply to what he said to BOLOUR about the chat:
"Saifi, first of all, you did not tell anyone that you are going to show this chat(b/t saifi,sana,ozair on msn) to others, it wasnt part of the deal, ozair arranged a conference so that your minsunderstandings would be clear, and the chat was kinda casual, in which i was not at all serious ... so any statements said in that cannot be considered as a final say, most of the things i said during the chat were in a sarcastic tone; and i never said wont provide any source…later i even told you, that ill give the source asap.
sister Sana, i informed ozair permission before sending the chat to mudassar, and He didnt have any problems with that,secondly there is no thing as casual for me when blashpemy is involved, and it was a serious discussion for me, plzz dont lie, ,,,when i asked you about the reference you said orkut is your reference,
and i will prove that the words you spoke before, and the references you gave are fabricated/lies ,and i will give proper proves for it, worry not,,inshallah
---------------------SANA LIES -------------------------
HURAIRA R.A where she proved HIM R.A a liar and unreliable person the irony is she used sunni books for it ,,
... and gave her proves from (only) them
i already explained that people of one school of thought will have to provide 3 scan pages of books as a rule to avoid misinterpretation of other texts and scholars words
SEE this rule here
http://tinyurl.com/32re3o (majority of mods have agreed to it)
so Sana, it was better if you would have provided scanned pages b4 quoting sunni texts (same rules for sunnis quoting shia texts)
This is for saifi in reply to what he said to BOLOUR about the chat:
"Saifi, first of all, you did not tell anyone that you are going to show this chat(b/t saifi,sana,ozair on msn) to others, it wasnt part of the deal, ozair arranged a conference so that your minsunderstandings would be clear, and the chat was kinda casual, in which i was not at all serious ... so any statements said in that cannot be considered as a final say, most of the things i said during the chat were in a sarcastic tone; and i never said wont provide any source…later i even told you, that ill give the source asap.
sister Sana, i informed ozair permission before sending the chat to mudassar, and He didnt have any problems with that,secondly there is no thing as casual for me when blashpemy is involved, and it was a serious discussion for me, plzz dont lie, ,,,when i asked you about the reference you said orkut is your reference,
and i will prove that the words you spoke before, and the references you gave are fabricated/lies ,and i will give proper proves for it, worry not,,inshallah
---------------------SANA LIES -------------------------
HURAIRA R.A where she proved HIM R.A a liar and unreliable person the irony is she used sunni books for it ,,
... and gave her proves from (only) themi already explained that people of one school of thought will have to provide 3 scan pages of books as a rule to avoid misinterpretation of other texts and scholars words
SEE this rule here
http://tinyurl.com/32re3o (majority of mods have agreed to it)
so Sana, it was better if you would have provided scanned pages b4 quoting sunni texts (same rules for sunnis quoting shia texts)
7:49 pm (6 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
------------------------Sana first lie --------------------------------------
Sana gave an explanation to Prove Hadrat Abu huraira R.a a liar(naoozbila) and said
[manage]
References that saifi asked! (from sana)
“The source which saifi claims which I was unable to provide Is rite here, that’s a sunni source”
Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 –
the Examiner said that the narrators are trustworthy.
We Shias admit the truth from wherever it comes. If Abu Hurairah said something true then we will accept from him but if he lies, then we will reject it.
It is you guys who are always scared to criticize insincere people under the banner of “they are sahabas and they can’t do any wrong”
now let me quote a salafi website where a scholar has given the example very nicely, and given the exact words from that page,
view the exact words
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Abu Hurayrah was not a destitute and his governship of Al-Medena was not the first! But what could we say about an ignorant who monkey with history? In his caliphate, Omar bin Al-khattab may Allah be pleased at him gave Abu Hurayrah the governship of Al-Bahrain, and Abu Hurayrah had the money. Muhammad bin Sireen says: “Omar handled Abu Hurayrah the governship of Bahrain, and Abu Hurayrah came to Omar with 10,000 Dinars. Omar said to him: “O’ you the enemy of Allah and the enemy of His book! You took exclusive possession of this money?” Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am not the enemy of Allah nor the enemy of His book, but I am the enemy of who take enmity against them.” Omar asked: “Then from where did you get this money?” Abu Hurayrah answered: “I got this money by breeding my horses, my slave labors, and by getting consecutive gifts.” They examined his claim and found him saying the truth. Then Omar asked Abu Hurayrah to take the governship, but Abu Hurayrah refused.
Sana gave an explanation to Prove Hadrat Abu huraira R.a a liar(naoozbila) and said
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References that saifi asked! (from sana)
“The source which saifi claims which I was unable to provide Is rite here, that’s a sunni source”
Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 –
the Examiner said that the narrators are trustworthy.
We Shias admit the truth from wherever it comes. If Abu Hurairah said something true then we will accept from him but if he lies, then we will reject it.
It is you guys who are always scared to criticize insincere people under the banner of “they are sahabas and they can’t do any wrong”
now let me quote a salafi website where a scholar has given the example very nicely, and given the exact words from that page,
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Abu Hurayrah was not a destitute and his governship of Al-Medena was not the first! But what could we say about an ignorant who monkey with history? In his caliphate, Omar bin Al-khattab may Allah be pleased at him gave Abu Hurayrah the governship of Al-Bahrain, and Abu Hurayrah had the money. Muhammad bin Sireen says: “Omar handled Abu Hurayrah the governship of Bahrain, and Abu Hurayrah came to Omar with 10,000 Dinars. Omar said to him: “O’ you the enemy of Allah and the enemy of His book! You took exclusive possession of this money?” Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am not the enemy of Allah nor the enemy of His book, but I am the enemy of who take enmity against them.” Omar asked: “Then from where did you get this money?” Abu Hurayrah answered: “I got this money by breeding my horses, my slave labors, and by getting consecutive gifts.” They examined his claim and found him saying the truth. Then Omar asked Abu Hurayrah to take the governship, but Abu Hurayrah refused.
7:50 pm (6 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
sana lies and fabrication about sunni texts,
. Omar said: “You hate to work while a better person than you was seeking it i.e. Yusuf peace be upon him?” Abu Hurayrah said: “Yusuf is a prophet, a son of a prophet who was a son of another
and I am Abu Hurayrah the son of Umaymah and I am afraid of three things that have 2 folds each.” Omar asked: “Why would not you say five?” Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am afraid to speak without knowledge, to quell without clemency, afraid that my back would be beaten, that my money would be taken, and that my honor would be insulted.”Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 – the Examiner said that the narrators are trustworthy.
These are the exact words of above page, see how Sana is lying,
view snapshot of that webpage
http://www.orkut.com/AlbumZoom.aspx?uid=331604420493763888&pid=20
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the website is baned, hence i didnt quoted any link ,here,i can give the link if members will ask in my scrapbook for it
SANA do provide scaned images of this page as i have talked to alot of sunnis who have this book, and yourr lie is caught here ,the absurdity is that you quoted other books to prove your point
and I am Abu Hurayrah the son of Umaymah and I am afraid of three things that have 2 folds each.” Omar asked: “Why would not you say five?” Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am afraid to speak without knowledge, to quell without clemency, afraid that my back would be beaten, that my money would be taken, and that my honor would be insulted.”Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 – the Examiner said that the narrators are trustworthy.
These are the exact words of above page, see how Sana is lying,
view snapshot of that webpage
http://www.orkut.com/AlbumZoom.aspx?uid
http://www.orkut.com/AlbumZoom.aspx?uid
the website is baned, hence i didnt quoted any link ,here,i can give the link if members will ask in my scrapbook for it
SANA do provide scaned images of this page as i have talked to alot of sunnis who have this book, and yourr lie is caught here ,the absurdity is that you quoted other books to prove your point
7:51 pm (6 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
Sana lies and fabrications
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Sana said
Check another proof from Sahih book:
Volume 7, Book 64, Number 268:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
"The Prophet said, 'The best alms is that which is given when one is rich, and a giving hand is better than a taking one, and you should start first to support your dependents.' A wife says, 'You should either provide me with food or divorce me.' A slave says, 'Give me food and enjoy my service." A son says, "Give me food; to whom do you leave me?"
The people said, "O Abu Huraira! Did you hear that from Allah's Apostle. He said, "No, it is from my own self."
Saifi still could not explain to me how it was "common knolwedge" that Huraira changed the topic in the middle of a quote, or explained to me why he did so.
Its not the actual hadith I have a problem with, its Abu Huraira's addition to it. I mean why else would the people ask "Is that from the Prophet?" and he would respond "No, it is from myself".
And is it allowed to put in one’s own words in between words of Prophet (s) so as to confuse people.
God knows how many more such words were added that we are unaware of!!
after quoting above sahih hadith,look what miss Sana is saying, and interpreting that HADRAT ABU HURAIRA R.A spoke alie,,,
the point is i know what shias belive, but they can quote their own books, quoting other sects books wrongly is absurd in my opinion
Hazrat Abu Huraira Added commentary which is this: <<<"A wife says, 'You should either provide me with food or divorce me.' A slave says, 'Give me food and enjoy my service." A son says, "Give me food; to whom do you leave me?">>>
Allah says Alhamdulillahi rabbil Alameen ... he is the lord of man, entire creation, stars, moon, sun, universe
its common sense that if i quote a verse, i will disctate the verse further, but look at sana's interpretation of sunni texts
Sana said
Check another proof from Sahih book:
Volume 7, Book 64, Number 268:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
"The Prophet said, 'The best alms is that which is given when one is rich, and a giving hand is better than a taking one, and you should start first to support your dependents.' A wife says, 'You should either provide me with food or divorce me.' A slave says, 'Give me food and enjoy my service." A son says, "Give me food; to whom do you leave me?"
The people said, "O Abu Huraira! Did you hear that from Allah's Apostle. He said, "No, it is from my own self."
Saifi still could not explain to me how it was "common knolwedge" that Huraira changed the topic in the middle of a quote, or explained to me why he did so.
Its not the actual hadith I have a problem with, its Abu Huraira's addition to it. I mean why else would the people ask "Is that from the Prophet?" and he would respond "No, it is from myself".
And is it allowed to put in one’s own words in between words of Prophet (s) so as to confuse people.
God knows how many more such words were added that we are unaware of!!
after quoting above sahih hadith,look what miss Sana is saying, and interpreting that HADRAT ABU HURAIRA R.A spoke alie,,,
the point is i know what shias belive, but they can quote their own books, quoting other sects books wrongly is absurd in my opinion
Hazrat Abu Huraira Added commentary which is this: <<<"A wife says, 'You should either provide me with food or divorce me.' A slave says, 'Give me food and enjoy my service." A son says, "Give me food; to whom do you leave me?">>>
Allah says Alhamdulillahi rabbil Alameen ... he is the lord of man, entire creation, stars, moon, sun, universe
its common sense that if i quote a verse, i will disctate the verse further, but look at sana's interpretation of sunni texts
7:51 pm (6 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
sana lies and fabrications about sunni txts
now let me explain this hadith
Hadith first part
The Prophet said, 'The best alms is that which is given when one is rich, and a giving hand is better than a taking one, and you should start first to support your dependents.'
this part was spoken by AQAH KARIM(saleh ala waalihi wasalam) only
hadith second part
A wife says, 'You should either provide me with food or divorce me.' A slave says, 'Give me food and enjoy my service." A son says, "Give me food; to whom do you leave me?"
this part is Explained by HAdrat Abu huraira R.A who gave examples from himself,
The people said, "O Abu Huraira! Did you hear that from Allah's Apostle ?" He said, "No, it is from my own self.".
abu huraira(ra) gave examples to make u understand!
and these above lines prove the piousness and honesty of HADRAT ABu huraira R.A where he R.A said to people that HE R.A gave it(the 2nd part) as an example,,,this is the interpretation of sunni ulemas ,OLIYAS R.A who have studied hadith throughout their life, unlinke miss Sana
abu huraira(ra) gave examples to make u understand!
More material which proves HADRAT Abu huraira R.A to be trust worthy
i can also quote shia sources, but i wont, as i dont go and write any thing on other books without knowledge
Narrated Abu Huraira (RaziALLAHo Anhoo) :
People say that I have narrated many Hadiths (The Prophet's narrations). Had it not been for two verses in the Qur'an, I would not have narrated a single Hadith, and the verses are:
"Verily those who conceal the clear sign and the guidance which We have sent down . . . (up to) Most Merciful." (2:159-160).
And no doubt our Muhajir (emigrant) brothers used to be busy in the market with their business (bargains) and our Ansari brothers used to be busy with their property (agriculture).
Hadith first part
The Prophet said, 'The best alms is that which is given when one is rich, and a giving hand is better than a taking one, and you should start first to support your dependents.'
this part was spoken by AQAH KARIM(saleh ala waalihi wasalam) only
hadith second part
A wife says, 'You should either provide me with food or divorce me.' A slave says, 'Give me food and enjoy my service." A son says, "Give me food; to whom do you leave me?"
this part is Explained by HAdrat Abu huraira R.A who gave examples from himself,
The people said, "O Abu Huraira! Did you hear that from Allah's Apostle ?" He said, "No, it is from my own self.".
abu huraira(ra) gave examples to make u understand!
and these above lines prove the piousness and honesty of HADRAT ABu huraira R.A where he R.A said to people that HE R.A gave it(the 2nd part) as an example,,,this is the interpretation of sunni ulemas ,OLIYAS R.A who have studied hadith throughout their life, unlinke miss Sana
abu huraira(ra) gave examples to make u understand!
More material which proves HADRAT Abu huraira R.A to be trust worthy
i can also quote shia sources, but i wont, as i dont go and write any thing on other books without knowledge
Narrated Abu Huraira (RaziALLAHo Anhoo) :
People say that I have narrated many Hadiths (The Prophet's narrations). Had it not been for two verses in the Qur'an, I would not have narrated a single Hadith, and the verses are:
"Verily those who conceal the clear sign and the guidance which We have sent down . . . (up to) Most Merciful." (2:159-160).
And no doubt our Muhajir (emigrant) brothers used to be busy in the market with their business (bargains) and our Ansari brothers used to be busy with their property (agriculture).
7:56 pm (6 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
reply to Sana lies n fabrications about suni texts
Once Marwan bin Hakim wanted to test Abu Huraira’s memory. He put a scribe behind a curtain to record whatever hadith Abu Huraira talked about. A year later he called Abu Huraira again and asked him to repeat the recorded hadith. He had not forgotten a single word. He said every single word again.
Abu Huraira wanted others to gain knowledge as well. One day he was passing through the marketplace. He saw people very busy buying and selling. He said, “People of Madinah, what a poor state you are in.”
“What do you mean?” they asked.
“You are here,” said Abu Huraira, “but the Prophet’s inheritance is being given out. Won’t you take your share?”
“Where?” the people asked.
“In the masjid,” replied Abu Huraira. The people quickly went to the masjid. Abu Hurayra waited until they came back. “We went to the masjid,” said some of the people. “But nothing was being given away.”
Abu Huraira asked them, “Didn’t you see anyone there?”
“Yes,” they said. “We saw some people making salat, some others reading the Qur’an and some people discussing halal and haram.”
“Well, that’s the inheritance of the Prophet!” replied Abu Huraira.
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Hazrat Abu Huraira RaziALLAHo Anhoo in his own words:
"I was a poor man, and used to stick to Allah's Apostle contented with what will fill my stomach, and the Muhajirin (emigrants) used to be busy trading in the markets, and the Ansar used to be busy looking after their properties. One day I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'Who will spread his Rida' (a garment covering the upper body) till I finished my speech and then fold it, (i.e. wear it), in which case he will never forget anything he had heard from me?" So I spread my garment which I was wearing; and by Him Who sent Muhammad with the Truth, ever since, I have never forgotten whatever I heard from him (the Prophet)."
Sana first you due to your ignorance misquoted a hadith, and you ignored all this ^^^^ if u have such great knowledge about sunni hadiths'
8:02 pm (6 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
-----------------Sana 3rd Lie -------------------------
she said
Even "umm ul momineen" is calling him a liar:
Book 004, Number 1034
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: A woman, an ass and a dog disrupt the prayer, but something like the back of a saddle guards against that.
Sahih Muslim
Book 004, Number 1039:
Al-Aswad reported that 'A'isha said: You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses, whereas I lay on the bedstead and the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) came there and stood in the middle of the bedstead and said prayer. I did not like to take off the quilt from me (in that state), so I moved away quietly from the front legs of the bedstead and thus came .
“You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses” clearly shows the unreliabilty of Abu hurrairah in transmiting ahadeeth and umm ul momeneen herself scolding Abu Hurrairah.
This is what we got from Hazrat Ayesha (RA) who rebuked him for making women equal to dogs and asses
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Sana first let me know that the interpretations you ae making of sunni books and hadiths are absurd and childish,,,
from above hadiths no where did ayesha R.A named HAdRAT ABU HURAIRA R.A,,,,
she said
Even "umm ul momineen" is calling him a liar:
Book 004, Number 1034
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: A woman, an ass and a dog disrupt the prayer, but something like the back of a saddle guards against that.
Sahih Muslim
Book 004, Number 1039:
Al-Aswad reported that 'A'isha said: You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses, whereas I lay on the bedstead and the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) came there and stood in the middle of the bedstead and said prayer. I did not like to take off the quilt from me (in that state), so I moved away quietly from the front legs of the bedstead and thus came .
“You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses” clearly shows the unreliabilty of Abu hurrairah in transmiting ahadeeth and umm ul momeneen herself scolding Abu Hurrairah.
This is what we got from Hazrat Ayesha (RA) who rebuked him for making women equal to dogs and asses
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Sana first let me know that the interpretations you ae making of sunni books and hadiths are absurd and childish,,,
from above hadiths no where did ayesha R.A named HAdRAT ABU HURAIRA R.A,,,,
8:09 pm (6 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
let me quote another haidth
Muslim :: Book 4 : Hadith 1037
'Urwa b. Zubair reported: 'A'isha asked: What disrupts the prayer? We said: The woman and the ass. Upon this she remarked: Is the woman an ugly animal? I lay in front of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) like the bier of a corpse and he said prayer.
these hadiths dont prove THat HadRAT AYESHA R.A is scolding any one ....as No name is mentioned ShE R.A is only making a simple point clear that women are not equal to dogs, but prayers get disrupted if a women,dog or asses passes infront of men,,
name of HADRAT ABu huraira R.A is not mentioned any where, and neither is HADRAT AYESHA R.A saying it, She R.A is just explaining this point to SAHABAS r.a
This hadith
Muslim :: Book 4 : Hadith 1034
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: A woman, an ass and a dog disrupt the prayer, but something like the back of a saddle guards against that
never said that women are equal to dogs or asses, but it only says that prayers are disrupted,,,
View more proofshttp://www.answering-christianity.com/karim/islamic_prayers_and_women.htm
Muslim :: Book 4 : Hadith 1037
'Urwa b. Zubair reported: 'A'isha asked: What disrupts the prayer? We said: The woman and the ass. Upon this she remarked: Is the woman an ugly animal? I lay in front of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) like the bier of a corpse and he said prayer.
these hadiths dont prove THat HadRAT AYESHA R.A is scolding any one ....as No name is mentioned ShE R.A is only making a simple point clear that women are not equal to dogs, but prayers get disrupted if a women,dog or asses passes infront of men,,
name of HADRAT ABu huraira R.A is not mentioned any where, and neither is HADRAT AYESHA R.A saying it, She R.A is just explaining this point to SAHABAS r.a
This hadith
Muslim :: Book 4 : Hadith 1034
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: A woman, an ass and a dog disrupt the prayer, but something like the back of a saddle guards against that
never said that women are equal to dogs or asses, but it only says that prayers are disrupted,,,
View more proofshttp://www.answering-christianity
8:22 pm (6 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
conclusion
bolour/fardeen and all other mods and seniour members, you can see how
*sana lied,about sunni texts
* gave fabricatred proves
* abused SAHABAS R.A by giving fake proves
* tried to start a sectarian clash
* broke rule#9
its not about teeling their beliefs its about the lies she said, and thats why she got banned,
sana muhammad ali has invited you for a debate on sunni texts do accpet if you really have so much knowledge about sunni texts,,,
i think Sana banned is proved now, and i gave the reasons why she was banned, which is very clear, and that why she is on a final warning right now ,,,i still think that after these lies have been proved, that se is accusing other members of blasphemy, playing politics, such people should be banned permanently now for what they did and said
*sana lied,about sunni texts
* gave fabricatred proves
* abused SAHABAS R.A by giving fake proves
* tried to start a sectarian clash
* broke rule#9
its not about teeling their beliefs its about the lies she said, and thats why she got banned,
sana muhammad ali has invited you for a debate on sunni texts do accpet if you really have so much knowledge about sunni texts,,,
i think Sana banned is proved now, and i gave the reasons why she was banned, which is very clear, and that why she is on a final warning right now ,,,i still think that after these lies have been proved, that se is accusing other members of blasphemy, playing politics, such people should be banned permanently now for what they did and said
lets see what ozair has to say about this issue:
2:14 am (20 minutes ago)
Ozair
A few things that i want all moderators to know!This is needed as this issue has been glamorized a lot now!
1- Saifi banned sana for 15 days without consulting any moderators, 1 day ban would not have been questionable, we were online and he could have atleast asked my consent. He said he would post a complaint, instead he banned her.
2- I spoke to saifi, after discussion with sana, i told him that it will create bad image of the moderation action and if we unban her for now and wait for other moderators to respond till then, i gave him guarantee that sana will not use such words in the community and if she does, i will ban her myself, he agreed that bolour/mudassar will take the decision to which both will agree, mudasar gave final warning to sana. Case closed.
3- I think we are forgetting the moto of the change, its not to make people leave the community but to make them more tollerant to each other.
4- She never posted anything after that on the community, her response/proof was on this community and that to defend herself, her replies have been reported as 'fabrication in interpretation' which i think is gramatically not correct, interpretation cant be fabricated, and interpretation cant be a lie.
5- She replied to saifi on the members feedback thread, which should not have been done in the first place as it wasnt a discussion thread, it was mearly a feedback thread. If she replies to saifi on that thread according to her interpretations, that cant be considered as violating the rule.
6- Raheel has given full authority to bolour to handle things in his absence as shes elder and have experience more than any one of us, she has been asked to lead.
7- About the chat, you asked me you wanted to talk to sana, i asked her she approved, we had a chat, she left, you asked me to save the chat and send it to mudasar, i said i dont save private chat, you said then you will mail it, i said do what you think is right, that does not mean i approved of it.
2:20 am (14 minutes ago)
Ozair
8- What she said here on mods thread was after saifi said that sana failed to give proofs to support her statement. It was a proof and it was her interpretation and it was termed as fabricated, even if its considered to be fabrication and even if her interpretation is considered as a lie, it was for her second ban and it it only validates her second ban of calling Abu Huraira (may Allah be pleased with him) as unreliable.
9- If seperate thread can be created for sana's complaint, or posted in 3 threads, i would advise moderators to call sana to the community and defend herself.
I didnt want to post all these points like this, but i have been compelled to do so!
9- If seperate thread can be created for sana's complaint, or posted in 3 threads, i would advise moderators to call sana to the community and defend herself.
I didnt want to post all these points like this, but i have been compelled to do so!
2:30 am (3 minutes ago)
Ozair
My personal opinion (Mohammad Ali's complaint)
After sana is proved a liar every one can see that she has abused sahabas and called them liar, and she used sunni hadiths and books wrongly which brother saifi refuted and proved her a liar very effectively,
Proved liar on her interpretation and fabricating the interpretation? She called a sahabi as lier, for which she was banned (her second ban), she wasnt even given time to present the proof, when she gave proof she was banned for the 3rd time for 15 days.
i demand that Sana should appologize for her lies and politics when she even accused saifi of blasphemy and miserably failed , i also demand a ban on sana in case she doesnt appologizes to saifi for accusing him wrongly,
That was a complaint on a member feedback thread and that is very much legal, nothing wrong in it.
telling a white lie from Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 – an authentic sunni book which saifi has proved she lied , if she doesnt appologizes moderators should ban her for cheaply using sunni hadiths and books to support Ghustakhi of SAHABAS R.A.
Many people disagree with different hadith, they interpret it differently, they reject it based on their sect, they dont get banned!
owner should take strict action this time as she already is on a final warning
Did she violate any rules in the community after mudassar posted the final warning?
Her words are still written in islam community and are proved wrong, she wasnt banned by saifi as saifi took the ban back, now its time for her to appologize to all sunnis for what she said and the lies which she said by quoting our books wrongly and telling ordinary members alie about our texts, where as nothing such is actually written in it,
Where? Which words? Saifi said the same thing today before i left office, the ban was taken back and the decision was delayed, the complaint wasnt take back!
contd!
Proved liar on her interpretation and fabricating the interpretation? She called a sahabi as lier, for which she was banned (her second ban), she wasnt even given time to present the proof, when she gave proof she was banned for the 3rd time for 15 days.
i demand that Sana should appologize for her lies and politics when she even accused saifi of blasphemy and miserably failed , i also demand a ban on sana in case she doesnt appologizes to saifi for accusing him wrongly,
That was a complaint on a member feedback thread and that is very much legal, nothing wrong in it.
telling a white lie from Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 – an authentic sunni book which saifi has proved she lied , if she doesnt appologizes moderators should ban her for cheaply using sunni hadiths and books to support Ghustakhi of SAHABAS R.A.
Many people disagree with different hadith, they interpret it differently, they reject it based on their sect, they dont get banned!
owner should take strict action this time as she already is on a final warning
Did she violate any rules in the community after mudassar posted the final warning?
Her words are still written in islam community and are proved wrong, she wasnt banned by saifi as saifi took the ban back, now its time for her to appologize to all sunnis for what she said and the lies which she said by quoting our books wrongly and telling ordinary members alie about our texts, where as nothing such is actually written in it,
Where? Which words? Saifi said the same thing today before i left office, the ban was taken back and the decision was delayed, the complaint wasnt take back!
contd!
2:31 am (2 minutes ago)
Ozair
if a sunni is banned for writing against a shia ,then in this case Sana should be banned permanently for her lies
I think by now you understand the difference between abuse and critical analysis, lie and interpretation.
I think by now you understand the difference between abuse and critical analysis, lie and interpretation.
I think by now you understand the difference between abuse and critical analysis, lie and interpretation.
2:39 am (8 minutes ago)
Ozair
Mohammad Ali,
This is what you are reffering to, and this is in Member's Feedback thread, totally legal! Members can complaint about anything, those complaints and suggestions will be decided in the meeting!
Now when he called Umul momineen as "confused" or someone who could not understand what Prophet(S) said....Could ALSO be termed as something really bad...which is also EQUALLY offensive in nature...
Regarding Kams complaint,
Read my openion that i posted on mohammad ali's complaint and also what i posted for moderators!
This is what you are reffering to, and this is in Member's Feedback thread, totally legal! Members can complaint about anything, those complaints and suggestions will be decided in the meeting!
Now when he called Umul momineen as "confused" or someone who could not understand what Prophet(S) said....Could ALSO be termed as something really bad...which is also EQUALLY offensive in nature...
Regarding Kams complaint,
Read my openion that i posted on mohammad ali's complaint and also what i posted for moderators!
3:10 am (4 minutes ago)
Ozair
i think then omer should also be allowed to join this community, and give his opinion but he got banned for insulting a member,
I think you said on that discussion that you forwarded to mudasar that the two issues are not related and asked me not to compare them. I think that applies now too, i dont want to copy that mail i refereed to earlier today, read that again and reply me on those lines, or i will be compelled to post it here! I still believe that 7 day ban is too lenient and i appreciate bolour for that!
i think if omer got banned for not appologizing then this is a more serious issue which some sunnis have raised, as its about lying and abusing SAHAbAS R.A by using sunni haidths and Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612
which is an authentic sunni book, and words sana quoted from this book wer misinterpretations
You asked for scanned pages, she dont have the book, she got it from google, maybe you can provide us with the scan pages so we can look into the issue.
so i will take an action on it shorlty, i still will wait for some time for miss sana to appologize for what she said,,,,otherwise as omer got banned, she will also be dealt with same rules ,as its about being fair
If you cant wait for other moderators to read and comment on all i have said then i think there was no need to politicize all these issues! Thats why there are multiple mods. Dont compare it with omer. I will other wise post that part of the mail that i have been saying for 3 times now! If you ban her, i'll onject again :)
I think you said on that discussion that you forwarded to mudasar that the two issues are not related and asked me not to compare them. I think that applies now too, i dont want to copy that mail i refereed to earlier today, read that again and reply me on those lines, or i will be compelled to post it here! I still believe that 7 day ban is too lenient and i appreciate bolour for that!
i think if omer got banned for not appologizing then this is a more serious issue which some sunnis have raised, as its about lying and abusing SAHAbAS R.A by using sunni haidths and Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612
which is an authentic sunni book, and words sana quoted from this book wer misinterpretations
You asked for scanned pages, she dont have the book, she got it from google, maybe you can provide us with the scan pages so we can look into the issue.
so i will take an action on it shorlty, i still will wait for some time for miss sana to appologize for what she said,,,,otherwise as omer got banned, she will also be dealt with same rules ,as its about being fair
If you cant wait for other moderators to read and comment on all i have said then i think there was no need to politicize all these issues! Thats why there are multiple mods. Dont compare it with omer. I will other wise post that part of the mail that i have been saying for 3 times now! If you ban her, i'll onject again :)
No one knows how suddenly this "Messenger of Sana" turned into supporter of Gustakh and started defending her.
An Amazing debate with sana gustakh and support of moderators for abusing Sahaba Karam(RA)
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Nov 4 (23 hours ago)
Ozair
Sana's Ban Issue [Her stance on the accusations]
I hope things will be a lot clearer after both parties are heard!
Nov 4 (23 hours ago)
SaNa
Politics By Saifi "The Moderator"
ILL briefly discuss a few points here, which saifi has termed as "LIES OF SANA"...
Calling me as a liar and highlighting each of his post as “SANA`S LIES” shows his insecurity on this matter, as he himself has been caught by calling umul momineen as confused…
And Saifi ill make sure you don’t get away with that…
And all the sleepy mods, my request to you is to deal this matter objectively and see if a member can get a ban on words like "unreliable" or "uncle", then what should be done against someone who calls umul momineen as confused and that Umul momineen could not understand the words of prophet(S)...
And im sure had i said that, it would have been taken as an abuse, so Why leniency is shown in saifis Case ?!?
how conveniently he said that and acting all innocent….just to save a sahaba who has spend hardly 3 yrs with prophet (S)….
Calling me as a liar and highlighting each of his post as “SANA`S LIES” shows his insecurity on this matter, as he himself has been caught by calling umul momineen as confused…
And Saifi ill make sure you don’t get away with that…
And all the sleepy mods, my request to you is to deal this matter objectively and see if a member can get a ban on words like "unreliable" or "uncle", then what should be done against someone who calls umul momineen as confused and that Umul momineen could not understand the words of prophet(S)...
And im sure had i said that, it would have been taken as an abuse, so Why leniency is shown in saifis Case ?!?
how conveniently he said that and acting all innocent….just to save a sahaba who has spend hardly 3 yrs with prophet (S)….
Nov 4 (23 hours ago)
SaNa
Saifis stupid claims,
then sana said after quoting these above hadiths
“You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses” clearly shows the unreliabilty of Abu hurrairah in transmiting ahadeeth and umm ul momeneen herself scolding Abu Hurrairah.
This is what we got from Hazrat Ayesha (RA) who rebuked him (Hadrat Abuhuraira R.A)for making women equal to dogs and asses
plz look what sana said,and look at her own fabricated interpretation of the above hadith of sunni siha e sita books ,,,
first this is a lie ,sunni sunnis dont belive in interpretation given by miss sana here to prove SAHABA R.A A LIAR hadrat AYESHA R.A no where scolded HADRAT ABU HURAIRA IN ABOVE HADITH she was only confused as she didnt know the meaning
http://tinyurl.com/2nrbph
Ive failed to understand how interpretation can be fabricated and how the hadith ive quoted from sahih book can be proved as a lie?!?
One does not have to say things directly, What makes hazrat ayesha to refute what he said ?!? cant u figure out the tone in which this sentence was made “You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses”
I think every sane person would figure out that the sentence was not said in a polite tone!!!
then sana said after quoting these above hadiths
“You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses” clearly shows the unreliabilty of Abu hurrairah in transmiting ahadeeth and umm ul momeneen herself scolding Abu Hurrairah.
This is what we got from Hazrat Ayesha (RA) who rebuked him (Hadrat Abuhuraira R.A)for making women equal to dogs and asses
plz look what sana said,and look at her own fabricated interpretation of the above hadith of sunni siha e sita books ,,,
first this is a lie ,sunni sunnis dont belive in interpretation given by miss sana here to prove SAHABA R.A A LIAR hadrat AYESHA R.A no where scolded HADRAT ABU HURAIRA IN ABOVE HADITH she was only confused as she didnt know the meaning
http://tinyurl.com/2nrbph
Ive failed to understand how interpretation can be fabricated and how the hadith ive quoted from sahih book can be proved as a lie?!?
One does not have to say things directly, What makes hazrat ayesha to refute what he said ?!? cant u figure out the tone in which this sentence was made “You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses”
I think every sane person would figure out that the sentence was not said in a polite tone!!!
Nov 4 (23 hours ago)
SaNa
Saifis another Drama of acting all innocent
first i am still surprised how confused is an abuse,,,i mean saying HADRAT AYESHA R.A was confused considered an abuse,
oxford dictionary meaning of the word confused:
1 to make sb unable to think clearly or understand sth:
3 to make a subject more difficult to understand:
http://www.oup.com/oald-bin/web_getald7index1a.pl
let me give miss sana some examples here of the word confused, and plz tell me how is this an abuse or blasphmey,
* PROPHET MUHAMMAD (saleh ala waalihi wasalam) gave an order and HADRAT OMER R.A became confused, during muslims going for hajj to maakah, and taking bait e rizwan, but later on realised His R.A mistake,and accepted the AQAH KARIM (saleh ala waalihi wasalam) decision was right,
* Similarly SAHABAs R.A used to become confused and AQAH KARIM (saleh ala waalihi wasalam) taught them the right way during different times ,,,
^ where is blasphemy in it,
Saifi just explain me one thing, if I can get a ban on saying the words like “unreliable” or “uncle” and if they can be termed as an “abuse” or a case of “blasphemy” then why on earth should u get away with that,
…Shall I also give you dictionary meanings of “unreliable” and “uncle” ?!?
Guess no…as im neither stupid nor I have time to make idiotic claims unlike some ppl!!!! Plz use you understanding skills this time, or you could also take help from your frnds, that’s what uve been doing uptill now…
first i am still surprised how confused is an abuse,,,i mean saying HADRAT AYESHA R.A was confused considered an abuse,
oxford dictionary meaning of the word confused:
1 to make sb unable to think clearly or understand sth:
3 to make a subject more difficult to understand:
http://www.oup.com/oald-bin/web_getald7
let me give miss sana some examples here of the word confused, and plz tell me how is this an abuse or blasphmey,
* PROPHET MUHAMMAD (saleh ala waalihi wasalam) gave an order and HADRAT OMER R.A became confused, during muslims going for hajj to maakah, and taking bait e rizwan, but later on realised His R.A mistake,and accepted the AQAH KARIM (saleh ala waalihi wasalam) decision was right,
* Similarly SAHABAs R.A used to become confused and AQAH KARIM (saleh ala waalihi wasalam) taught them the right way during different times ,,,
^ where is blasphemy in it,
Saifi just explain me one thing, if I can get a ban on saying the words like “unreliable” or “uncle” and if they can be termed as an “abuse” or a case of “blasphemy” then why on earth should u get away with that,
…Shall I also give you dictionary meanings of “unreliable” and “uncle” ?!?
Guess no…as im neither stupid nor I have time to make idiotic claims unlike some ppl!!!! Plz use you understanding skills this time, or you could also take help from your frnds, that’s what uve been doing uptill now…
Nov 4 (23 hours ago)
SaNa
regarding Hadrat AYesHA R.A hadith, i will explain the full interpreation of that hadith later,which i didnt do before due to lack of time(and i was in a hurry) .....and i will explain how miss Sana lied about hadiths
*Interesting* how can I lie about a hadith ?!? I can be proved a liar only in case if I will put my own words in a hadith…
Another False allegation........Saifi ...Watch out What u Say ...
regarding double standards,i wont comment much, but people who abuse islamic personalities,curse them,blame them for sins, and then ironically use the name of the same to accuse others of blashpemy and play politics with their names, and vomit their frustration ,,,,i call this double standard,
What you call an abuse is not an abuse in my point of view and many people have objected on this statement of yours, I was only being critical there, I did not call Abu Haraira as A liar…NEITHER I ABUSED HIM, [www.dictionary.com] do check the meaning of abuse, just in case uve forgotten…[that too always in my case]…Neither have I ever Cursed anyone [Another allegation]
And the world will be knowing that by now whois playing politics, This time I just want you to taste the flavor of your own medicine
*Interesting* how can I lie about a hadith ?!? I can be proved a liar only in case if I will put my own words in a hadith…
Another False allegation........Saifi ...Watch out What u Say ...
regarding double standards,i wont comment much, but people who abuse islamic personalities,curse them,blame them for sins, and then ironically use the name of the same to accuse others of blashpemy and play politics with their names, and vomit their frustration ,,,,i call this double standard,
What you call an abuse is not an abuse in my point of view and many people have objected on this statement of yours, I was only being critical there, I did not call Abu Haraira as A liar…NEITHER I ABUSED HIM, [www.dictionary.com] do check the meaning of abuse, just in case uve forgotten…[that too always in my case]…Neither have I ever Cursed anyone [Another allegation]
And the world will be knowing that by now whois playing politics, This time I just want you to taste the flavor of your own medicine
Nov 4 (23 hours ago)
SaNa
i already explained that people of one school of thought will have to provide 3 scan pages of books as a rule to avoid misinterpretation of other texts and scholars words
SEE this rule here
http://tinyurl.com/32re3o (majority of mods have agreed to it)
so Sana, it was better if you would have provided scanned pages b4 quoting sunni texts (same rules for sunnis quoting shia texts)
Dude, try to act a little practical, no one here possess books, neither u have any…if ur so interested in proving me wrong, then plz show the scanned pages urself..
The incident I mentioned is present in that book which is also present in shia books that’s what ive highlighted…what happened later is something im not interested in…I was focusing on the first part in which Hazrat umar called Abu haraira as “enemy of Allah”, which is also present in shia books….
And another interesting point is, how you quote things, out of your own convenience from the site which is not only banned from this community but also is not considered reliable by majority of the sunni sect…
So , this is actually interesting to note how desperate uve become to prove your innocence and calling members as LIARS just because ur too dumb to understand the interpretation ive given….
You banned me as I did not give any proofs, and when I gave, u called it lies, if ur understanding of things is too limited or ur upper portion has stopped working well and u cannot comprehend things beyond ur little imagination then plz leave the hot seat and let someone else who have a better perception about things can handle the case…AS you with your frnds have played enough politics against me… I did not say a word in the beginning as I was enjoying ur stupid dances and how your frustration is coming out….but guess things have gone way beyond, and ive lost my patience...
now is the right time to show the world HOW YOU WITH YOUR FRIENDS IS PLAYING DIRTY POLITICS WITH ME, PUTTING UP WRONG ALLEGATIONS AND MAKING IT LOOK LIKE SOMETHING SO BIG
SEE this rule here
http://tinyurl.com/32re3o (majority of mods have agreed to it)
so Sana, it was better if you would have provided scanned pages b4 quoting sunni texts (same rules for sunnis quoting shia texts)
Dude, try to act a little practical, no one here possess books, neither u have any…if ur so interested in proving me wrong, then plz show the scanned pages urself..
The incident I mentioned is present in that book which is also present in shia books that’s what ive highlighted…what happened later is something im not interested in…I was focusing on the first part in which Hazrat umar called Abu haraira as “enemy of Allah”, which is also present in shia books….
And another interesting point is, how you quote things, out of your own convenience from the site which is not only banned from this community but also is not considered reliable by majority of the sunni sect…
So , this is actually interesting to note how desperate uve become to prove your innocence and calling members as LIARS just because ur too dumb to understand the interpretation ive given….
You banned me as I did not give any proofs, and when I gave, u called it lies, if ur understanding of things is too limited or ur upper portion has stopped working well and u cannot comprehend things beyond ur little imagination then plz leave the hot seat and let someone else who have a better perception about things can handle the case…AS you with your frnds have played enough politics against me… I did not say a word in the beginning as I was enjoying ur stupid dances and how your frustration is coming out….but guess things have gone way beyond, and ive lost my patience...
now is the right time to show the world HOW YOU WITH YOUR FRIENDS IS PLAYING DIRTY POLITICS WITH ME, PUTTING UP WRONG ALLEGATIONS AND MAKING IT LOOK LIKE SOMETHING SO BIG
Nov 4 (23 hours ago)
SaNa
These are the exact words of above page, see how Sana is lying,
view snapshot of that webpage
http://www.orkut.com/AlbumZoom.aspx?uid=331604420493763888&pid=20
http://www.orkut.com/AlbumZoom.aspx?uid=331604420493763888&pid=25
the website is baned, hence i didnt quoted any link ,here,i can give the link if members will ask in my scrapbook for it
SANA do provide scaned images of this page as i have talked to alot of sunnis who have this book, and yourr lie is caught here ,the absurdity is that you quoted other books to prove your point
The Sunni story starts with Hazrat Omer saying that “ O enemy of Allah O enemy of book” and then goes into show that just on the words of abu hurrairah, Hazrat omer than acquits him…which every sane mind can say that later part is a made up story…because Hazrat Omer saying “O enemy of book! O enemy of Allah” is there in both shia and sunni books but the later part is in sunni book only…
Now what is the criteria of a judgement of a Rightly Guided Caliph?!?
First he should not accuse anyone without proof and if he has called such names to a certain person, he did not do it keeping in mind his own personal interest, as he is a rightly guided one according to sunni belief so that means his saying “O enemy of Allah! O enemy of Book!” cannot be said without proofs...
Next according to islamic justice system if someone has been accused of something he will have to have proofs so its clear Hazrat Umar had proofs and those proofs I have already provided which has come down to us from sahih books in filtered down version
now...lets go to the next part of the story
we suddenly see that just because Abu Hurrairah has himself said that he got such and such things he became rich now point to ponder is two things:
1. How a man who did not have enough to eat suddenly became so rich after getting the governorship of bahrain
view snapshot of that webpage
http://www.orkut.com/AlbumZoom.aspx?uid
http://www.orkut.com/AlbumZoom.aspx?uid
the website is baned, hence i didnt quoted any link ,here,i can give the link if members will ask in my scrapbook for it
SANA do provide scaned images of this page as i have talked to alot of sunnis who have this book, and yourr lie is caught here ,the absurdity is that you quoted other books to prove your point
The Sunni story starts with Hazrat Omer saying that “ O enemy of Allah O enemy of book” and then goes into show that just on the words of abu hurrairah, Hazrat omer than acquits him…which every sane mind can say that later part is a made up story…because Hazrat Omer saying “O enemy of book! O enemy of Allah” is there in both shia and sunni books but the later part is in sunni book only…
Now what is the criteria of a judgement of a Rightly Guided Caliph?!?
First he should not accuse anyone without proof and if he has called such names to a certain person, he did not do it keeping in mind his own personal interest, as he is a rightly guided one according to sunni belief so that means his saying “O enemy of Allah! O enemy of Book!” cannot be said without proofs...
Next according to islamic justice system if someone has been accused of something he will have to have proofs so its clear Hazrat Umar had proofs and those proofs I have already provided which has come down to us from sahih books in filtered down version
now...lets go to the next part of the story
we suddenly see that just because Abu Hurrairah has himself said that he got such and such things he became rich now point to ponder is two things:
1. How a man who did not have enough to eat suddenly became so rich after getting the governorship of bahrain
Nov 4 (23 hours ago)
SaNa
2. How a man who is himself accused of money laundering is being acquitted from the charge of money laundering based on his testimonial.
its like Benazir bhutto is accused of stealing money from Treasury the Govt. accuses her that she stole money from Treasury and then benazir bhutto says no I got the money from gifts and business and she is acquitted…
is it believable?!?
Sunnis might believe in such system of justice and such system of judicial acquittance but we shias do not and we shall not …..apart from that I have other statements about Abu Hurrairah regarding his statements about Hazrat Ali (AS) but i will not post them…
its like Benazir bhutto is accused of stealing money from Treasury the Govt. accuses her that she stole money from Treasury and then benazir bhutto says no I got the money from gifts and business and she is acquitted…
is it believable?!?
Sunnis might believe in such system of justice and such system of judicial acquittance but we shias do not and we shall not …..apart from that I have other statements about Abu Hurrairah regarding his statements about Hazrat Ali (AS) but i will not post them…
Nov 4 (23 hours ago)
SaNa
Weak defenses against weak hadeeth, trying to show that our path is True path and others statements are all false...
decalring lovers of Ahle bayet as kafirs and what not but still you have not beenable to silence our voices and you shall not be able to silence our voices till end of time
and I am not afraid of your little dances...carry on with that !!!
But truth is truth…History cannot be changed no matter how hard false stories are brought in between
I end my case and I have no interest in speaking with every tom, dick, harry and defend my beliefs before them
why should I defend anyway?!?
I consider my beliefs to be right so i dont think I should defend i have stated and thats what I will do and if you want shias not to state their beliefs than change the community's name to Sunni Islam community and stop the farce that its an Islam Community..
and regarding Perochak, A and Umair, its in the Aqeedah of sunnis to call shias as kafirs and to find faults in 12 Imams…
I dont think they should be banned either but then you should allow us to speak some very harsh facts which many of you wont be able to digest..
Plus: never have I ever complaint against them, perochak was having a discussion with me while he said shias as kafirs and what not, but I never complaint, as I like to handle things my way and I don’t have this habit of crying all around the community begging mods to ban ppl, such cheap thing doesn’t go with my personality, neither im interested in all that…
but yeah when ill be wrongly accused and when my statements will be tarnished I will demand an action…
decalring lovers of Ahle bayet as kafirs and what not but still you have not beenable to silence our voices and you shall not be able to silence our voices till end of time
and I am not afraid of your little dances...carry on with that !!!
But truth is truth…History cannot be changed no matter how hard false stories are brought in between
I end my case and I have no interest in speaking with every tom, dick, harry and defend my beliefs before them
why should I defend anyway?!?
I consider my beliefs to be right so i dont think I should defend i have stated and thats what I will do and if you want shias not to state their beliefs than change the community's name to Sunni Islam community and stop the farce that its an Islam Community..
and regarding Perochak, A and Umair, its in the Aqeedah of sunnis to call shias as kafirs and to find faults in 12 Imams…
I dont think they should be banned either but then you should allow us to speak some very harsh facts which many of you wont be able to digest..
Plus: never have I ever complaint against them, perochak was having a discussion with me while he said shias as kafirs and what not, but I never complaint, as I like to handle things my way and I don’t have this habit of crying all around the community begging mods to ban ppl, such cheap thing doesn’t go with my personality, neither im interested in all that…
but yeah when ill be wrongly accused and when my statements will be tarnished I will demand an action…
Nov 4 (22 hours ago)
SaNa
Speak with truth and justice and give everyone the right to state their beliefs its our belief that Abu Hurrairah is not as pious and someone who never errd and we stand by it but that does not mean we reject every hadeeth of his even a dishonest man can say somethings which are good so we sift his sayings take what is in concurence with Quran and the sayings of Our Imams and reject the rest...
This will answer all your questions and Stupid Allegations uve made against me, I hope whatever I said is enough to shut all the complaints coming from your group?!?
and yes we dont have to degrade one sahabi to defend another sahabi and then degrade that sahabi to defend another…
we go by logic and brains and that has been the pillar of shia sect for 1400 years and yes truth is always in minority for very few people have the courage to accept the truth……
Thanks & Good Bye!!!
PS: I dont care about what "thekkedars of sunnism" say to me…and neither im interested in any pvt chats, whoever wants to talk, talk right here in front of everyone, as im already put off by all the dirtly politics played against me by Saifi and his group…
I expect Mods to take notice of this, im sick of this already, how long will ozair handle all this alone?!?
Whats the point of such a big hot panel when there is no one else to solve the issue, everyone is silent God knows what they are afraid of ?!? no one speaks a word against this person who is continuously playing politics with ME since the past many days…and im so disappointed at the attitude of these ppl…
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Miss Sana wrote her argumentations,
* i asked ozair to invite her here to finsih this issue and have a 1-1 debate
* Sana and i after discussion on MSN along with ozair(who was there during half the chat) have decide some rules which we will use to discuss various issues here
1) SANA will write her posts n arguements ,,,about what i wrote in 15-30 posts(as she has written at the start above)
(2 then a debate will start,b/t sana and saifi in this thread,,and one point will be discussed at a time,,,
(3 After both members will agree that the point which is discussed is finished,,,then next point will start,,,n the previous one will end(both members have to agree with it and after their proofs will be finished)
(4 Like this every point will be discussed,,,,until every(single issue) point is discussed till end,,,
(5 bolour, fardeen, dawood, ali, ajaz bhai, Dr. khizer, sami will Decide after this debate will end and both members will present their arguments on every(single) point.
...(there is still some issues about 2 mods to be included in the panel, which i will discuss myself and try to clear that,i will inform later on about those 2 names )
(6 in case sana will run away in the middle,,,i will also run away from my zuban(take it as a joke ,:)
After Sana presented her arguments above, and so have i HERE http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=21165834&tid=2564039623960408896
i am looking forward to start a discussion with Sana on all issues, lines which sana and i spoked, her accusing me of politics and me accusing her of many other things,
i request sana to start this debate after discussing with me on msn, so that we can start our first point tomorrow ,debate might take several days until it will be decide
other members are requested to stay away from this debate 
...Saifi has issues with ozair too, he doesnt want to consider Ozair in the panel, i had an argument with him last nite on this...But he wasnt listening and was threatning me again and again that if u dont agree ill delete the Thread...
anyway!!!
what i said in that thread is still saved, so dont give your version, i said that ozair and i are involved in this issue ,so it will be better if we both are not involved in the decison making process,,,
secondly prove yourself right and 7 day ban will be removed, thats why i called you here ,,
fardeen
Well when a sunni makies critical analysis about shias and gets banned, like umair,perochak,A and junaid were no one says any thing,but when we ban a shai for abusing SAHABAS R.A people start calling in a shai community,
i will like you not to pass any personal judgements until this debate is over ,and you see both sides of the pic,
sana lies and fabrication about sunni texts,
. Omar said: “You hate to work while a better person than you was seeking it i.e. Yusuf peace be upon him?” Abu Hurayrah said: “Yusuf is a prophet, a son of a prophet who was a son of another
and I am Abu Hurayrah the son of Umaymah and I am afraid of three things that have 2 folds each.” Omar asked: “Why would not you say five?” Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am afraid to speak without knowledge, to quell without clemency, afraid that my back would be beaten, that my money would be taken, and that my honor would be insulted.”Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 – the Examiner said that the narrators are trustworthy.
These are the exact words of above page, see how Sana is lying,
view snapshot of that webpage
http://www.orkut.com/AlbumZoom.aspx?uid=331604420493763888&pid=20
http://www.orkut.com/AlbumZoom.aspx?uid=331604420493763888&pid=25
now Sana said in this thread as a reply that,,when i proved that she edited lines from this sunni book and lied, and sunnis are demanding an appology for that
said
The Sunni story starts with Hazrat Omer saying that “ O enemy of Allah O enemy of book” and then goes into show that just on the words of abu hurrairah, Hazrat omer than acquits him…which every sane mind can say that later part is a made up story…because Hazrat Omer saying “O enemy of book! O enemy of Allah” is there in both shia and sunni books but the later part is in sunni book only…
Now what is the criteria of a judgement of a Rightly Guided Caliph?!?
First he should not accuse anyone without proof and if he has called such names to a certain person, he did not do it keeping in mind his own personal interest, as he is a rightly guided one according to sunni belief so that means his saying “O enemy of Allah! O enemy of Book!” cannot be said without proofs...
This will answer all your questions and Stupid Allegations uve made against me, I hope whatever I said is enough to shut all the complaints coming from your group?!?
and yes we dont have to degrade one sahabi to defend another sahabi and then degrade that sahabi to defend another…
we go by logic and brains and that has been the pillar of shia sect for 1400 years and yes truth is always in minority for very few people have the courage to accept the truth……
Thanks & Good Bye!!!
PS: I dont care about what "thekkedars of sunnism" say to me…and neither im interested in any pvt chats, whoever wants to talk, talk right here in front of everyone, as im already put off by all the dirtly politics played against me by Saifi and his group…
I expect Mods to take notice of this, im sick of this already, how long will ozair handle all this alone?!?
Whats the point of such a big hot panel when there is no one else to solve the issue, everyone is silent God knows what they are afraid of ?!? no one speaks a word against this person who is continuously playing politics with ME since the past many days…and im so disappointed at the attitude of these ppl…
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Nov 4 (22 hours ago)
Ozair
As decided, Sana will present her case, and it will follow with point by point discussion with saifi, a decision will be made by mudassar in the end!
Nov 4 (21 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
@ALL
Miss Sana wrote her argumentations,
* i asked ozair to invite her here to finsih this issue and have a 1-1 debate
* Sana and i after discussion on MSN along with ozair(who was there during half the chat) have decide some rules which we will use to discuss various issues here
1) SANA will write her posts n arguements ,,,about what i wrote in 15-30 posts(as she has written at the start above)
(2 then a debate will start,b/t sana and saifi in this thread,,and one point will be discussed at a time,,,
(3 After both members will agree that the point which is discussed is finished,,,then next point will start,,,n the previous one will end(both members have to agree with it and after their proofs will be finished)
(4 Like this every point will be discussed,,,,until every(single issue) point is discussed till end,,,
(5 bolour, fardeen, dawood, ali, ajaz bhai, Dr. khizer, sami will Decide after this debate will end and both members will present their arguments on every(single) point.
...(there is still some issues about 2 mods to be included in the panel, which i will discuss myself and try to clear that,i will inform later on about those 2 names )
(6 in case sana will run away in the middle,,,i will also run away from my zuban(take it as a joke ,:)
After Sana presented her arguments above, and so have i HERE http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=
i am looking forward to start a discussion with Sana on all issues, lines which sana and i spoked, her accusing me of politics and me accusing her of many other things,
i request sana to start this debate after discussing with me on msn, so that we can start our first point tomorrow ,debate might take several days until it will be decide
other members are requested to stay away from this debate
4:25 pm (12 hours ago)
SaNa
Im on For Any debate
...But Before That, i want Saifi to Remove a (7-Day) Ban against me, As it doesnt make sense anymore....
...Saifi Only wanted Mudassar to decide the issue, But i did not agree, as Saifi himself has over-ruled his decision about the case, so i want all the mods including Fardeen and Ozair to decide the final Decision.
...Saifi has issues with ozair too, he doesnt want to consider Ozair in the panel, i had an argument with him last nite on this...But he wasnt listening and was threatning me again and again that if u dont agree ill delete the Thread...
anyway!!!
First Case:
The first thing which should be discussed is how Saifi Called my interpretation as LIES?!? on What Basis ?!?
After This, The next debate will be "His Case of Blasphemy"
...But Before That, i want Saifi to Remove a (7-Day) Ban against me, As it doesnt make sense anymore....
...Saifi Only wanted Mudassar to decide the issue, But i did not agree, as Saifi himself has over-ruled his decision about the case, so i want all the mods including Fardeen and Ozair to decide the final Decision.
...Saifi has issues with ozair too, he doesnt want to consider Ozair in the panel, i had an argument with him last nite on this...But he wasnt listening and was threatning me again and again that if u dont agree ill delete the Thread...
anyway!!!
First Case:
The first thing which should be discussed is how Saifi Called my interpretation as LIES?!? on What Basis ?!?
After This, The next debate will be "His Case of Blasphemy"
5:45 pm (11 hours ago)
Fardeen
IMO, Saifi is being really unreasonable and unjust.
Sana did not abuse any companion.
There is difference between abuse and critical analysis.
And this is not a Sunni community, If It Is, then Rename it to 'Saifi's Sunni Islam community'.
Sana did not abuse any companion.
There is difference between abuse and critical analysis.
And this is not a Sunni community, If It Is, then Rename it to 'Saifi's Sunni Islam community'.
7:24 pm (9 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
sana
...Saifi has issues with ozair too, he doesnt want to consider Ozair in the panel, i had an argument with him last nite on this...But he wasnt listening and was threatning me again and again that if u dont agree ill delete the Thread...
anyway!!!
what i said in that thread is still saved, so dont give your version, i said that ozair and i are involved in this issue ,so it will be better if we both are not involved in the decison making process,,,
secondly prove yourself right and 7 day ban will be removed, thats why i called you here ,,
fardeen
Well when a sunni makies critical analysis about shias and gets banned, like umair,perochak,A and junaid were no one says any thing,but when we ban a shai for abusing SAHABAS R.A people start calling in a shai community,
i will like you not to pass any personal judgements until this debate is over ,and you see both sides of the pic,
7:29 pm (9 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
sana
here you go i think we should start the debate now without a delay,so that members can know who is right and who is wrong,
----------------------POINT 1----------------------------
sana said by quoting a sunni book
Sana gave an explanation to Prove Hadrat Abu huraira R.a a liar(naoozbila) and said
References that saifi asked! (from sana)
“The source which saifi claims which I was unable to provide Is rite here, that’s a sunni source”
Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 –
the Examiner said that the narrators are trustworthy.
We Shias admit the truth from wherever it comes. If Abu Hurairah said something true then we will accept from him but if he lies, then we will reject it.
It is you guys who are always scared to criticize insincere people under the banner of “they are sahabas and they can’t do any wrong”
my reply
now let me quote a salafi website where a scholar has given the example very nicely, and given the exact words from that page,
view the exact words
#
Abu Hurayrah was not a destitute and his governship of Al-Medena was not the first! But what could we say about an ignorant who monkey with history? In his caliphate, Omar bin Al-khattab may Allah be pleased at him gave Abu Hurayrah the governship of Al-Bahrain, and Abu Hurayrah had the money. Muhammad bin Sireen says: “Omar handled Abu Hurayrah the governship of Bahrain, and Abu Hurayrah came to Omar with 10,000 Dinars. Omar said to him: “O’ you the enemy of Allah and the enemy of His book! You took exclusive possession of this money?” Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am not the enemy of Allah nor the enemy of His book, but I am the enemy of who take enmity against them.” Omar asked: “Then from where did you get this money?”
----------------------POINT 1----------------------------
sana said by quoting a sunni book
Sana gave an explanation to Prove Hadrat Abu huraira R.a a liar(naoozbila) and said
References that saifi asked! (from sana)
“The source which saifi claims which I was unable to provide Is rite here, that’s a sunni source”
Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 –
the Examiner said that the narrators are trustworthy.
We Shias admit the truth from wherever it comes. If Abu Hurairah said something true then we will accept from him but if he lies, then we will reject it.
It is you guys who are always scared to criticize insincere people under the banner of “they are sahabas and they can’t do any wrong”
my reply
now let me quote a salafi website where a scholar has given the example very nicely, and given the exact words from that page,
view the exact words
#
Abu Hurayrah was not a destitute and his governship of Al-Medena was not the first! But what could we say about an ignorant who monkey with history? In his caliphate, Omar bin Al-khattab may Allah be pleased at him gave Abu Hurayrah the governship of Al-Bahrain, and Abu Hurayrah had the money. Muhammad bin Sireen says: “Omar handled Abu Hurayrah the governship of Bahrain, and Abu Hurayrah came to Omar with 10,000 Dinars. Omar said to him: “O’ you the enemy of Allah and the enemy of His book! You took exclusive possession of this money?” Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am not the enemy of Allah nor the enemy of His book, but I am the enemy of who take enmity against them.” Omar asked: “Then from where did you get this money?”
7:34 pm (9 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
continued
sana lies and fabrication about sunni texts,
. Omar said: “You hate to work while a better person than you was seeking it i.e. Yusuf peace be upon him?” Abu Hurayrah said: “Yusuf is a prophet, a son of a prophet who was a son of another
and I am Abu Hurayrah the son of Umaymah and I am afraid of three things that have 2 folds each.” Omar asked: “Why would not you say five?” Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am afraid to speak without knowledge, to quell without clemency, afraid that my back would be beaten, that my money would be taken, and that my honor would be insulted.”Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 – the Examiner said that the narrators are trustworthy.
These are the exact words of above page, see how Sana is lying,
view snapshot of that webpage
http://www.orkut.com/AlbumZoom.aspx?uid
http://www.orkut.com/AlbumZoom.aspx?uid
now Sana said in this thread as a reply that,,when i proved that she edited lines from this sunni book and lied, and sunnis are demanding an appology for that
said
The Sunni story starts with Hazrat Omer saying that “ O enemy of Allah O enemy of book” and then goes into show that just on the words of abu hurrairah, Hazrat omer than acquits him…which every sane mind can say that later part is a made up story…because Hazrat Omer saying “O enemy of book! O enemy of Allah” is there in both shia and sunni books but the later part is in sunni book only…
Now what is the criteria of a judgement of a Rightly Guided Caliph?!?
First he should not accuse anyone without proof and if he has called such names to a certain person, he did not do it keeping in mind his own personal interest, as he is a rightly guided one according to sunni belief so that means his saying “O enemy of Allah! O enemy of Book!” cannot be said without proofs...
7:42 pm (9 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
sana quoted a suni books in the comunity ands said
It is reported that after Caliph Umar appointed Abu Huraira governor of Bahrain in 21 A.H. (643 C.E.), the people informed the Caliph that Abu Huraira had amassed great wealth and had purchased many horses. Umar therefore deposed him in 23 A.H. and summoned him to his court.
As soon as Abu Huraira entered the court, the Caliph said:
"O enemy of Allah and enemy of His Book! Have you stolen Allah's property?" He replied, "I never committed theft, but the people have given me gifts."
It is also reported that the Caliph said in the same instance:
"When I made you the governor of Bahrain, you had not even shoes on your feet, but now I have heard that you have purchased horses for 1,600 dinars. How did you acquire this wealth?' He replied, 'These were men's gifts which profit has multiplied much."
The Caliph's face grew red with anger, and he lashed him so violently that his back bled. Then he ordered the 10,000 dinars which Abu Huraira had collected in Bahrain be taken from him and deposited in the account
Now said lied here (about a sunni book ) when she said ,,,
The Caliph's face grew red with anger, and he lashed him so violently that his back bled. ,,,,as she quoted a sunni book so she must provide these lies from the sunni book because she claimed it to be from a sunni book
Miss Sana lied about sunni sources, and there are several complains registered against her for this, Sana you didnt provided reference of a shia book but you edited lines from sunni sources to prove the Caliph a liar,,,,
so now as your lie is proved tell me why you edited lines from this pages,
you also added lines to prove HADRAT ABU HURAIRA R.A a corrupted person(from sunni books ) and this is why i am saying you lied, from sunni sources ,,,
It is reported that after Caliph Umar appointed Abu Huraira governor of Bahrain in 21 A.H. (643 C.E.), the people informed the Caliph that Abu Huraira had amassed great wealth and had purchased many horses. Umar therefore deposed him in 23 A.H. and summoned him to his court.
As soon as Abu Huraira entered the court, the Caliph said:
"O enemy of Allah and enemy of His Book! Have you stolen Allah's property?" He replied, "I never committed theft, but the people have given me gifts."
It is also reported that the Caliph said in the same instance:
"When I made you the governor of Bahrain, you had not even shoes on your feet, but now I have heard that you have purchased horses for 1,600 dinars. How did you acquire this wealth?' He replied, 'These were men's gifts which profit has multiplied much."
The Caliph's face grew red with anger, and he lashed him so violently that his back bled. Then he ordered the 10,000 dinars which Abu Huraira had collected in Bahrain be taken from him and deposited in the account
Now said lied here (about a sunni book ) when she said ,,,
The Caliph's face grew red with anger, and he lashed him so violently that his back bled. ,,,,as she quoted a sunni book so she must provide these lies from the sunni book because she claimed it to be from a sunni book
Miss Sana lied about sunni sources, and there are several complains registered against her for this, Sana you didnt provided reference of a shia book but you edited lines from sunni sources to prove the Caliph a liar,,,,
so now as your lie is proved tell me why you edited lines from this pages,
you also added lines to prove HADRAT ABU HURAIRA R.A a corrupted person(from sunni books ) and this is why i am saying you lied, from sunni sources ,,,
7:48 pm (9 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
This is why i demand an appoligy from Sana,,, its not about her beliefs, its about lying from sunni books and showing words that are not present .....oinfac HADTAT ABU HURAIRA R.A is proved a pious person on that PAge, but Sana edited the whole page to prove her point ,,this is a lie and she has to prove that where did
The Caliph's face grew red with anger, and he lashed him so violently that his back bled.
^^^^^also show me these lines Sana in above page,,,as u said its all from a sunni book .....and dont give referene from a shia book,,,as u didnt give it before,
incase you will not show me where from thatr page is HADRAT ABU HURAIRA R.A lashed and proved a bad/corrupted man (naoozbila) ,,,you will be taken as a liar
The Caliph's face grew red with anger, and he lashed him so violently that his back bled.
^^^^^also show me these lines Sana in above page,,,as u said its all from a sunni book .....and dont give referene from a shia book,,,as u didnt give it before,
incase you will not show me where from thatr page is HADRAT ABU HURAIRA R.A lashed and proved a bad/corrupted man (naoozbila) ,,,you will be taken as a liar
8:00 pm (9 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
sana
i finished my explanation of first point, now its your turn to write and prove yourself that you didnt editd lines from sunni book and lied
stick to thepoint only in case you will write any thin else i will delete the post,(after positnig it in mods thread) as in this case debate cannot be done, (in case you have complains plz inform in mods scrapbook and they will post it in mods community
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what i said in that thread is still saved, so dont give your version, i said that ozair and i are involved in this issue ,so it will be better if we both are not involved in the decison making process,,,
The issue is against you and not OZAIR so why he should be left out?!?…
secondly prove yourself right and 7 day ban will be removed, thats why i called you here
Sorry but I wont debate unless im unbanned…Cause then there will be no point…im not here for any calrifications or something….im here to tell the world the other side of the story…
And If after this debate, decision goes in ur Favor, only then OTHER MODS have the right to Ban me…not now…Because the ban in unjust, u banned me for something i wrote here in "orkislam community" and after Mudassar`s Decision....which in no way can be justified...As Mudassar wrote in his post
"Repetetion of above mentiond usage of word will lead to some strict Action:-
So Next time be careful "
When the owner himself has made a decision who are you to over-rule that ?!?
So if u agree, only then ill move on !!! 
Usman
Assalam u aalaikum,
Kindly let me just put a simple proposition up. I think this whole episode will not only waste time but will end in stalemate. Can we kindly just simply come to a mutual compromise just now!?
Walekum a salam, ur right, this debate will go no where, But its Saifi himself who has started this issue AGAIN, Right after his Friend got a ban, he and his friends started their little dances and dirty politics against me, knowing the Fact, that the CASE was already CLOSED by MUDASSAR !!!!
Saifi, I stand by what I said, I did not edit any lines,
Sana you are lying again, you edited the whole paragraph ,,,and just took a few lines from Sunni sources not shia
look here,,
The Caliph's face grew red with anger, and he lashed him so violently that his back bled.
and
It is also reported that the Caliph said in the same instance:
"When I made you the governor of Bahrain, you had not even shoes on your feet, but now I have heard that you have purchased horses for 1,600 dinars. How did you acquire this wealth?' He replied, 'These were men's gifts which profit has multiplied much."
The Caliph's face grew red with anger, and he lashed him so violently that his back bled. Then he ordered the 10,000 dinars which Abu Huraira had collected in Bahrain be taken from him and deposited in the account
^^^^^ where are these lines in
Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 –
show me,,,sana you gav reference from a sunni sourced and wrote these lines from yourself .....and thats why i called you a liar, you used sunni soureces not shia to prove your point,
Aliyar in Dawood and other moderators scrap:
Saifi attitude clearly shows that he is acting as a dictator making his own rules and making his own decisions without consulting any mods . even ozair , dawood , usman and mu ahsan are also trying to solve this issue in peaceful manner but he wont listen to any one and doing on his own .
Saifi attitude clearly shows that he is acting as a dictator making his own rules and making his own decisions without consulting any mods . even ozair , dawood , usman and mu ahsan are also trying to solve this issue in peaceful manner but he wont listen to any one and doing on his own .
stick to thepoint only in case you will write any thin else i will delete the post,(after positnig it in mods thread) as in this case debate cannot be done, (in case you have complains plz inform in mods scrapbook and they will post it in mods community
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8:10 pm (8 hours ago)
SaNa
what i said in that thread is still saved, so dont give your version, i said that ozair and i are involved in this issue ,so it will be better if we both are not involved in the decison making process,,,
The issue is against you and not OZAIR so why he should be left out?!?…
secondly prove yourself right and 7 day ban will be removed, thats why i called you here
Sorry but I wont debate unless im unbanned…Cause then there will be no point…im not here for any calrifications or something….im here to tell the world the other side of the story…
And If after this debate, decision goes in ur Favor, only then OTHER MODS have the right to Ban me…not now…Because the ban in unjust, u banned me for something i wrote here in "orkislam community" and after Mudassar`s Decision....which in no way can be justified...As Mudassar wrote in his post
"Repetetion of above mentiond usage of word will lead to some strict Action:-
So Next time be careful "
When the owner himself has made a decision who are you to over-rule that ?!?
So if u agree, only then ill move on !!!
8:22 pm (8 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
^
well sorry ,you are banned for 7 days and i dont have to prove myself free of sins, you are the one who are accused by sunni members .....secondly people are even demanding your permanent ban from here, and the issue right now is permanent ban, if you dont want to debate ,i mean dont even start the debate after all is discussed, on msn then its your choice, you are the one who instead of being professional is acting stubbornly here, not me, i already have started the debate,,,
your choice,
your choice,
8:33 pm (8 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
sana
if you just want to end this debate and dont want to show other members about the truth then its your choice,
We discussed every thing on MSN,,,,about this debate, but now you are writing new demands again and again and will continue like this, throughout the debate, and i cant debate like this as i deem it as an unprofessional way of dealing with things,
if you dont want to answerr point one its your choice, ,,i dont have any problems with it, secondly 7 day ban is not the issue, issue is a permanent ban here for what u said the 4th time ,by giving wrong/fabricated words from sunni books
We discussed every thing on MSN,,,,about this debate, but now you are writing new demands again and again and will continue like this, throughout the debate, and i cant debate like this as i deem it as an unprofessional way of dealing with things,
if you dont want to answerr point one its your choice, ,,i dont have any problems with it, secondly 7 day ban is not the issue, issue is a permanent ban here for what u said the 4th time ,by giving wrong/fabricated words from sunni books
8:56 pm (8 hours ago)
Usman
Assalam u aalaikum,
Kindly let me just put a simple proposition up. I think this whole episode will not only waste time but will end in stalemate. Can we kindly just simply come to a mutual compromise just now!?
Kindly let me just put a simple proposition up. I think this whole episode will not only waste time but will end in stalemate. Can we kindly just simply come to a mutual compromise just now!?
9:03 pm (8 hours ago)
SaNa
Saifi, Dont teach me to follow Rules, as if uve been following it urself...
Im already sick of your Double Standards...
I want other mods to decide, if i shud get unbanned or not...Plus, what will be done to Saifi, if hes proven guilty after the debate ...?!?
Saifi, You dont have to act like a Dictator, as ur part of this debate so u cant rule it anyway....
Plus: Im not here to Prove and defend myself so that i wont get a permanent BAN..neither im scared of Your Friends .."The thekedaars of orkut"
If u So want to Ban me Permanently, Do That !!!
Im already sick of your Double Standards...
I want other mods to decide, if i shud get unbanned or not...Plus, what will be done to Saifi, if hes proven guilty after the debate ...?!?
Saifi, You dont have to act like a Dictator, as ur part of this debate so u cant rule it anyway....
Plus: Im not here to Prove and defend myself so that i wont get a permanent BAN..neither im scared of Your Friends .."The thekedaars of orkut"
If u So want to Ban me Permanently, Do That !!!
9:08 pm (7 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
sana you have just gone off debate
what will be done to Saifi, if hes proven guilty after the debate ...?!?
first prove point one,,, and you said those words in the community in member feedback thread, and later on tried to prove it,,,u stARTED that topic
Saifi, You dont have to act like a Dictator, as ur part of this debate so u cant rule it anyway....
well i invited u here, gave you are thread, gave you every opportunity to prove youe self on the right path, and started a debate, we even discussed the rules on msn, but now you are asking for more ...
Plus: Im not here to Prove and defend myself so that i wont get a permanent BAN..neither im scared of Your Friends .."The thekedaars of orkut"
well what you said from sunni sources ,you have to prove that those words are written in those books/sources, or in other case you will be proved a liar, if a sunni quotes shia books wronlgy,,he will get the same reward,
If u So want to Ban me Permanently, Do That !!!
i wont, owner will decide this after checking this debate, which you arent willing to continue,
first prove point one,,, and you said those words in the community in member feedback thread, and later on tried to prove it,,,u stARTED that topic
Saifi, You dont have to act like a Dictator, as ur part of this debate so u cant rule it anyway....
well i invited u here, gave you are thread, gave you every opportunity to prove youe self on the right path, and started a debate, we even discussed the rules on msn, but now you are asking for more ...
Plus: Im not here to Prove and defend myself so that i wont get a permanent BAN..neither im scared of Your Friends .."The thekedaars of orkut"
well what you said from sunni sources ,you have to prove that those words are written in those books/sources, or in other case you will be proved a liar, if a sunni quotes shia books wronlgy,,he will get the same reward,
If u So want to Ban me Permanently, Do That !!!
i wont, owner will decide this after checking this debate, which you arent willing to continue,
9:18 pm (7 hours ago)
SaNa
incase you will not show me where from thatr page is HADRAT ABU HURAIRA R.A lashed and proved a bad/corrupted man (naoozbila) ,,,you will be taken as a liar
sana
i finished my explanation of first point, now its your turn to write and prove yourself that you didnt editd lines from sunni book and lied
stick to thepoint only in case you will write any thin else i will delete the post,(after positnig it in mods thread) as in this case debate cannot be done, (in case you have complains plz inform in mods scrapbook and they will post it in mods community
Saifi, I stand by what I said, I did not edit any lines, the first story is mentioned in both shia and sunni books, the one ive posted, and don’t expect the words written in all versions will be same, there can be difference of writing styles and choice of words…
Plus my 2nd point is, ur only working on ur own assumptions here, and accusing me…even in the site u gave "Allah hu Akbar", it says in the end…
Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am afraid to speak without knowledge, to quell without clemency, afraid that my back would be beaten, that my money would be taken, and that my honor would be insulted.”[5]
^ That says it all !!!
My Stance on the above issue is already posted in this thread,
http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=21165834&tid=2564334679621656826
i wont, owner will decide this after checking this debate, which you arent willing to continue,
and the same owner has already given his decision on the issue
sana
i finished my explanation of first point, now its your turn to write and prove yourself that you didnt editd lines from sunni book and lied
stick to thepoint only in case you will write any thin else i will delete the post,(after positnig it in mods thread) as in this case debate cannot be done, (in case you have complains plz inform in mods scrapbook and they will post it in mods community
Saifi, I stand by what I said, I did not edit any lines, the first story is mentioned in both shia and sunni books, the one ive posted, and don’t expect the words written in all versions will be same, there can be difference of writing styles and choice of words…
Plus my 2nd point is, ur only working on ur own assumptions here, and accusing me…even in the site u gave "Allah hu Akbar", it says in the end…
Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am afraid to speak without knowledge, to quell without clemency, afraid that my back would be beaten, that my money would be taken, and that my honor would be insulted.”[5]
^ That says it all !!!
My Stance on the above issue is already posted in this thread,
http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=2
i wont, owner will decide this after checking this debate, which you arent willing to continue,
and the same owner has already given his decision on the issue
9:28 pm (7 hours ago)
SaNa
Usman
Assalam u aalaikum,
Kindly let me just put a simple proposition up. I think this whole episode will not only waste time but will end in stalemate. Can we kindly just simply come to a mutual compromise just now!?
Walekum a salam, ur right, this debate will go no where, But its Saifi himself who has started this issue AGAIN, Right after his Friend got a ban, he and his friends started their little dances and dirty politics against me, knowing the Fact, that the CASE was already CLOSED by MUDASSAR !!!!
9:42 pm (7 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
reply to sana
Saifi, I stand by what I said, I did not edit any lines,
Sana you are lying again, you edited the whole paragraph ,,,and just took a few lines from Sunni sources not shia
look here,,
The Caliph's face grew red with anger, and he lashed him so violently that his back bled.
and
It is also reported that the Caliph said in the same instance:
"When I made you the governor of Bahrain, you had not even shoes on your feet, but now I have heard that you have purchased horses for 1,600 dinars. How did you acquire this wealth?' He replied, 'These were men's gifts which profit has multiplied much."
The Caliph's face grew red with anger, and he lashed him so violently that his back bled. Then he ordered the 10,000 dinars which Abu Huraira had collected in Bahrain be taken from him and deposited in the account
^^^^^ where are these lines in
Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 –
show me,,,sana you gav reference from a sunni sourced and wrote these lines from yourself .....and thats why i called you a liar, you used sunni soureces not shia to prove your point,
9:49 pm (7 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
then you said
the first story is mentioned in both shia and sunni books, the one ive posted, and don’t expect the words written in all versions will be same, there can be difference of writing styles and choice of words…
first i m not talking about shia books, if you will write from shia books you can, the point is you edited words from (sunni books only) and wrote lines which were never written ,this is a lie which you said by quoting sunni books,,,,which you yourself have accepted, and failed to prove until now
then you said
Plus my 2nd point is, ur only working on ur own assumptions here, and accusing me…even in the site u gave "Allah hu Akbar", it says in the end…
Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am afraid to speak without knowledge, to quell without clemency, afraid that my back would be beaten, that my money would be taken, and that my honor would be insulted.”[5]
Sana i am again asking you said,,
The Caliph's face grew red with anger, and he lashed him so violently that his back bled. Then he ordered the 10,000 dinars which Abu Huraira had collected in Bahrain be taken from him and deposited in the account
^^^ where are above lines wirrten in that page,,,and where is it written that HADRAT ABU HURAIRA R>A was beaten by HADRAT OMER R..a as you said,,,,and qoted a sunni source for it,,,
you quoted only some lines out of context from sunni books to prove your point, and this is why i called you a liar, and ask you for an appology ,,,,
i hope all members can see the true side of the story now,,,and decide about this point,
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You are quoting what you got from Allah hu akbar site...
Which is banned and is not considered as Reliable...and even in that site, the interesting part was..
i never said the site is unreliable,,,its an informative site like nooremadinah and yanabi.com it is banned only bcz of some controversial things on the site, otherwise there are several things there with which i agree personally,,,
seconldy you said,,, HADRAT OMER R.A lashed HADRAT ABU HURAIRA R>A and quoted
Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 –
Where is it written :)....,,,if HADRAT ABu HURAIRA R,a said it but it never happened, but the lines you wrote are found no where,,, where HADrAT OMER R.A took the money back and lashed HIM R.A ....
so you accept that those lines are never written and even abouit enemy of ALLAH n enemyy of His book words you qouted them out of context ...from
Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 –
and thats why i asked you to appologize for lying,,,,i think every one can see the truth now,,,very well, and we should start next point,,,,
i never said the site is unreliable,,,its an informative site like nooremadinah and yanabi.com it is banned only bcz of some controversial things on the site, otherwise there are several things there with which i agree personally,,,
Shame on your Double Standards Saifi, I pity you !!!
seconldy you said,,, HADRAT OMER R.A lashed HADRAT ABU HURAIRA R>A and quoted
Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 –
Where is it written :)....,,,if HADRAT ABu HURAIRA R,a said it but it never happened, but the lines you wrote are found no where,,, where HADrAT OMER R.A took the money back and lashed HIM R.A ....
so you accept that those lines are never written and even abouit enemy of ALLAH n enemyy of His book words you qouted them out of context ...from
Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 –
lOL, ur arguments are getting sillier with time...
it’s a hate-filled site, and bcoz of its contents its banned, as it gives false information…
And even from that site the line I quoted shows clearly that he has been beaten by Hazrat Umar..chk the lines again Carefully
"Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am afraid to speak without knowledge, to quell without clemency, afraid that my back would be beaten, that my money would be taken, and that my honor would be insulted.”[5]
Is it too hard to understand ?!?
and thats why i asked you to appologize for lying,,,,i think every one can see the truth now,,,very well, and we should start next point,,,,
Truth is rite in front of everyone, uve put up false allegations on me, ur taking Allahu akbar site as ur proof against me.
So its You along with your Friends who should apologize From me…and I Request the owners and other mods to see the attitude of saifi, and how he with his frnds is playing politics with a lady….He should be removed from the panel, hes just giving bad name to Islam Community…
And that’s About it !!!!
....
And even from that site the line I quoted shows clearly that he has been beaten by Hazrat Umar..chk the lines again Carefully
"Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am afraid to speak without knowledge, to quell without clemency, afraid that my back would be beaten, that my money would be taken, and that my honor would be insulted.”[5]
afraid that my back would be beaten
afraid that my back would be beaten
afraid that my back would be beaten
^^^^ where is says HADRAT UMAR R.A has beaten him....i think a person who got a master's degree in english should be called here .....
or may BE my english so poor i cant see it,,, may be mudassar will decide this hope is english is good enough
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what will happen if mudassar turns out to be your best friend ....
lolz,,,k ,,,i hope mudassar will answer this
if u are finished with the first point then lets discuss other hadiths u quoted ,sahih hADITHS I MEAN and the words u said about SAHABAS R.A in that ,,,,
Ur taking Allah hu akbar site as ur evidence Against me Showing that i lied, and in My Scrapbook u said, forget the other references as they might not be true
you yourself are not sure about that....So i guess That says it aLL !!!
Lets take another thing from the same site, which uve taken as ur strong evidence against me.
'Aa'ishah - Radiyallaahu'anha- never accused Abu Hurairah of lying. However, there do exist a number of incidents where she corrected Abu Hurairah for erring in the Ahaadeeth he transmitted.
Of these criticisms by 'Aa'ishah, there exists one in Saheeh Muslim (Cairo: Vol. 3, p. 137). Specifically that Abu Hurairah related that the individual who at dawn (fajr) is in a state of sexual defilement, he is not permitted fast. When 'Aa'ishah and Umm Salama were questioned regarding this they informed that the Prophet - sallallaahu`alaihiwasallam - during the month of Ramadan would awake at dawn in a state of sexual defilement not due to a dream (i.e. due to having sexual relations) and fast. When Abu Hurairah was later questioned as to his source, he informed that he heard that from al-Fadl ibn 'Abbaas and not the Prophet - Sallallaahu'alaihiwasallam - directly.
Source:http://www.allaahuakbar.net/shiites/in_defense_of_abu_hurairah.htm
I end my case here at this point !!! and since you donot understand English nor analogies its useless debating with u coz u lack IQ to debate with me and regarding your other stooges Amir, Muhammad Ali, Kam and Omer…I care two hoots about them…
I have said my say and you have said yours
Let Raheel and Bolour , the two most neutral persons decide on this matter
the first story is mentioned in both shia and sunni books, the one ive posted, and don’t expect the words written in all versions will be same, there can be difference of writing styles and choice of words…
first i m not talking about shia books, if you will write from shia books you can, the point is you edited words from (sunni books only) and wrote lines which were never written ,this is a lie which you said by quoting sunni books,,,,which you yourself have accepted, and failed to prove until now
then you said
Plus my 2nd point is, ur only working on ur own assumptions here, and accusing me…even in the site u gave "Allah hu Akbar", it says in the end…
Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am afraid to speak without knowledge, to quell without clemency, afraid that my back would be beaten, that my money would be taken, and that my honor would be insulted.”[5]
Sana i am again asking you said,,
The Caliph's face grew red with anger, and he lashed him so violently that his back bled. Then he ordered the 10,000 dinars which Abu Huraira had collected in Bahrain be taken from him and deposited in the account
^^^ where are above lines wirrten in that page,,,and where is it written that HADRAT ABU HURAIRA R>A was beaten by HADRAT OMER R..a as you said,,,,and qoted a sunni source for it,,,
you quoted only some lines out of context from sunni books to prove your point, and this is why i called you a liar, and ask you for an appology ,,,,
i hope all members can see the true side of the story now,,,and decide about this point,
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9:49 pm (7 hours ago)
SaNa
You are quoting what you got from Allah hu akbar site...
Which is banned and is not considered as Reliable...and even in that site, the interesting part was...
Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am afraid to speak without knowledge, to quell without clemency, afraid that my back would be beaten, that my money would be taken, and that my honor would be insulted.”[5]
Why was Abu Haraira Afraid ?!? and why he said my back would be beaten, money taken and honour insulted ?!?
Which is banned and is not considered as Reliable...and even in that site, the interesting part was...
Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am afraid to speak without knowledge, to quell without clemency, afraid that my back would be beaten, that my money would be taken, and that my honor would be insulted.”[5]
Why was Abu Haraira Afraid ?!? and why he said my back would be beaten, money taken and honour insulted ?!?
9:56 pm (7 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
sana
You are quoting what you got from Allah hu akbar site...
Which is banned and is not considered as Reliable...and even in that site, the interesting part was..
i never said the site is unreliable,,,its an informative site like nooremadinah and yanabi.com it is banned only bcz of some controversial things on the site, otherwise there are several things there with which i agree personally,,,
seconldy you said,,, HADRAT OMER R.A lashed HADRAT ABU HURAIRA R>A and quoted
Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 –
Where is it written :)....,,,if HADRAT ABu HURAIRA R,a said it but it never happened, but the lines you wrote are found no where,,, where HADrAT OMER R.A took the money back and lashed HIM R.A ....
so you accept that those lines are never written and even abouit enemy of ALLAH n enemyy of His book words you qouted them out of context ...from
Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 –
and thats why i asked you to appologize for lying,,,,i think every one can see the truth now,,,very well, and we should start next point,,,,
10:20 pm (6 hours ago)
SaNa
i never said the site is unreliable,,,its an informative site like nooremadinah and yanabi.com it is banned only bcz of some controversial things on the site, otherwise there are several things there with which i agree personally,,,
Shame on your Double Standards Saifi, I pity you !!!
seconldy you said,,, HADRAT OMER R.A lashed HADRAT ABU HURAIRA R>A and quoted
Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 –
Where is it written :)....,,,if HADRAT ABu HURAIRA R,a said it but it never happened, but the lines you wrote are found no where,,, where HADrAT OMER R.A took the money back and lashed HIM R.A ....
so you accept that those lines are never written and even abouit enemy of ALLAH n enemyy of His book words you qouted them out of context ...from
Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 –
lOL, ur arguments are getting sillier with time...
it’s a hate-filled site, and bcoz of its contents its banned, as it gives false information…
And even from that site the line I quoted shows clearly that he has been beaten by Hazrat Umar..chk the lines again Carefully
"Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am afraid to speak without knowledge, to quell without clemency, afraid that my back would be beaten, that my money would be taken, and that my honor would be insulted.”[5]
Is it too hard to understand ?!?
and thats why i asked you to appologize for lying,,,,i think every one can see the truth now,,,very well, and we should start next point,,,,
Truth is rite in front of everyone, uve put up false allegations on me, ur taking Allahu akbar site as ur proof against me.
So its You along with your Friends who should apologize From me…and I Request the owners and other mods to see the attitude of saifi, and how he with his frnds is playing politics with a lady….He should be removed from the panel, hes just giving bad name to Islam Community…
And that’s About it !!!!
10:56 pm (6 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
^
ok well as i said,,,ALLAHuakbar site is banned because of hate material on the right side against other sect,,,not because the material on the beliefs about which every sect beliefs is fabricated,,
well here is another site for you
posted in yOUR SCRAPBOOK so that it can be seen, i only quoted it for reference number 5 ,,,i have given no gurantee or other material from that site,,,....this is not from Allahuakbar, now
look at reference 5 and its explanation, secondly you are the one who gave reference from sunni books so provide Scanned page of that book
every member can see here how you added lines wrongly and are now changing the topic by raising issue of ALLAHuakbar site
then you said
And even from that site the line I quoted shows clearly that he has been beaten by Hazrat Umar..chk the lines again Carefully
"Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am afraid to speak without knowledge, to quell without clemency, afraid that my back would be beaten, that my money would be taken, and that my honor would be insulted.”[5]
ahan,,,,shows clearly that he has been beaten by Hazrat Umar...He has been right,,,ok Sana now let owner decide about this ,and what you said,,,and let mudassar decide that who is lying and who is not
i think we should start next point now
well here is another site for you
posted in yOUR SCRAPBOOK so that it can be seen, i only quoted it for reference number 5 ,,,i have given no gurantee or other material from that site,,,
....this is not from Allahuakbar, nowlook at reference 5 and its explanation, secondly you are the one who gave reference from sunni books so provide Scanned page of that book
every member can see here how you added lines wrongly and are now changing the topic by raising issue of ALLAHuakbar site
then you said
And even from that site the line I quoted shows clearly that he has been beaten by Hazrat Umar..chk the lines again Carefully
"Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am afraid to speak without knowledge, to quell without clemency, afraid that my back would be beaten, that my money would be taken, and that my honor would be insulted.”[5]
ahan,,,,shows clearly that he has been beaten by Hazrat Umar...He has been right,,,ok Sana now let owner decide about this ,and what you said,,,and let mudassar decide that who is lying and who is not
i think we should start next point now
10:56 pm (6 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
....
And even from that site the line I quoted shows clearly that he has been beaten by Hazrat Umar..chk the lines again Carefully
"Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am afraid to speak without knowledge, to quell without clemency, afraid that my back would be beaten, that my money would be taken, and that my honor would be insulted.”[5]
afraid that my back would be beaten
afraid that my back would be beaten
afraid that my back would be beaten
^^^^ where is says HADRAT UMAR R.A has beaten him
....i think a person who got a master's degree in english should be called here .....or may BE my english so poor i cant see it,,, may be mudassar will decide this hope is english is good enough
11:00 pm (6 hours ago)
SaNa
lOl...Thats the funniest Statement uve ever made ....
In reference to these lines You quoted from Allahu akbar site:
Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am afraid to speak without knowledge, to quell without clemency, afraid that my back would be beaten, that my money would be taken, and that my honor would be insulted.”[5]
I said…Abu haraira is afraid , and these lines shows clearly that he has been beaten by Hazrat Umar..
And u called it poor English
let me explain you in Simple English then
thats a future event that he fears that if he again takes the governorshiip position his back will be beaten his money will be taken means all things that happened to him will happen again...
now who is poor in English ..
If ur unable to comprehend my statement, then plz call some frnds of urs who are in Uk and are good in Eng. so that they can explain you better what i said
BTW... i thought u were a sufi but you are a fakie ..
Sufi saints will be seeing you and imagining, is this the one who takes our name and plays politics and threatens members in their msn and acts with his mafia..
is this sufism - Saifi?
In reference to these lines You quoted from Allahu akbar site:
Abu Hurayrah answered: “I am afraid to speak without knowledge, to quell without clemency, afraid that my back would be beaten, that my money would be taken, and that my honor would be insulted.”[5]
I said…Abu haraira is afraid , and these lines shows clearly that he has been beaten by Hazrat Umar..
And u called it poor English
let me explain you in Simple English then
thats a future event that he fears that if he again takes the governorshiip position his back will be beaten his money will be taken means all things that happened to him will happen again...
now who is poor in English ..
If ur unable to comprehend my statement, then plz call some frnds of urs who are in Uk and are good in Eng. so that they can explain you better what i said
BTW... i thought u were a sufi but you are a fakie ..
Sufi saints will be seeing you and imagining, is this the one who takes our name and plays politics and threatens members in their msn and acts with his mafia..
is this sufism - Saifi?
11:01 pm (6 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
webiste is posted in Sana SBs to be used for Reference 5 only No guarantees fom my side for other references, neither do i clain them to be authentic,,,
but reference 5 is
but reference 5 is
11:07 pm (5 hours ago)
SaNa
Saifi, uve become so low in my eyes...and im glad ive seen ur real face ...
Real Sufis will be ashamed to see you...
and about Mudassar taking decision...i think ur forgetting the panel..
Not just Mudassar...All the panel mentioned in the beginging will Decide !!!
Its not a one-man game....so Watch out !!!
Real Sufis will be ashamed to see you...
and about Mudassar taking decision...i think ur forgetting the panel..
Not just Mudassar...All the panel mentioned in the beginging will Decide !!!
Its not a one-man game....so Watch out !!!
11:24 pm (5 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
sana said
let me explain you in Simple English then
thats a future event that he fears that if he again takes the governorshiip position his back will be beaten his money will be taken means all things that happened to him will happen again...
now who is poor in English ..
If ur unable to comprehend my statement, then plz call some frnds of urs who are in Uk and are good in Eng. so that they can explain you better what i said
Sana you said in member Feedback thread that
The Caliph's face grew red with anger, and he lashed him so violently that his back bled
and
It is also reported that the Caliph said in the same instance:
"When I made you the governor of Bahrain, you had not even shoes on your feet, but now I have heard that you have purchased horses for 1,600 dinars. How did you acquire this wealth?' He replied, 'These were men's gifts which profit has multiplied much."
The Caliph's face grew red with anger, and he lashed him so violently that his back bled. Then he ordered the 10,000 dinars which Abu Huraira had collected in Bahrain be taken from him and deposited in the account
^^where are these lines on that page,well lets mudassar decide now ,truth is here
let me explain you in Simple English then
thats a future event that he fears that if he again takes the governorshiip position his back will be beaten his money will be taken means all things that happened to him will happen again...
now who is poor in English ..
If ur unable to comprehend my statement, then plz call some frnds of urs who are in Uk and are good in Eng. so that they can explain you better what i said
Sana you said in member Feedback thread that
The Caliph's face grew red with anger, and he lashed him so violently that his back bled
and
It is also reported that the Caliph said in the same instance:
"When I made you the governor of Bahrain, you had not even shoes on your feet, but now I have heard that you have purchased horses for 1,600 dinars. How did you acquire this wealth?' He replied, 'These were men's gifts which profit has multiplied much."
The Caliph's face grew red with anger, and he lashed him so violently that his back bled. Then he ordered the 10,000 dinars which Abu Huraira had collected in Bahrain be taken from him and deposited in the account
^^where are these lines on that page,well lets mudassar decide now ,truth is here
11:43 pm (5 hours ago)
SaNa
Saifi, There are uneducated shias and there are educated shias just as there are uneducated sufis and educated Sufis, i guess u were an uneducated shia before and have become an uneducated sufi now…
i pity on you and it shows your culture. My statements on Hazrat Umar and Hazrat Ayesha is known by all in this community
I havent hidden anything I have always used analogy which u due to your poor english fail to understand
Educated Shias have always believed that Unity is more important thats why Govt. of Iran has closed the mazhar of Abu Lululah the one who killed Hazrat Umar…
But we dont fear to call a spade a spade so first stop behaving like an illterate ex-shia and at present like an illterate sufi...
i am sad to say…”tum na udhar k ho sakey na idhar k ban paye”..Such an unfortunate person you are !!!
And seeing u i am sure real sufis will be ashamed that you call yourself a sufi and spoil their name…
^^where are these lines on that page,well lets mudassar decide now ,truth is here
Mind You...Owner is not The Ruler. He is the Keeper....Plus, why do u in every post say ..."Mudassar will decide"...when it is agreed before...that the whole panel will decide...
what will happen if mudassar turns out to be your best friend ?!?
So the decision could not be taken by one person but the whole panel mentioned in the rules above...
i pity on you and it shows your culture. My statements on Hazrat Umar and Hazrat Ayesha is known by all in this community
I havent hidden anything I have always used analogy which u due to your poor english fail to understand
Educated Shias have always believed that Unity is more important thats why Govt. of Iran has closed the mazhar of Abu Lululah the one who killed Hazrat Umar…
But we dont fear to call a spade a spade so first stop behaving like an illterate ex-shia and at present like an illterate sufi...
i am sad to say…”tum na udhar k ho sakey na idhar k ban paye”..Such an unfortunate person you are !!!
And seeing u i am sure real sufis will be ashamed that you call yourself a sufi and spoil their name…
^^where are these lines on that page,well lets mudassar decide now ,truth is here
Mind You...Owner is not The Ruler. He is the Keeper....Plus, why do u in every post say ..."Mudassar will decide"...when it is agreed before...that the whole panel will decide...
what will happen if mudassar turns out to be your best friend ?!?
So the decision could not be taken by one person but the whole panel mentioned in the rules above...
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11:49 pm (5 hours ago)
SaNa
This is what Saifi wrote in my Scrapbook:
SAiFi Naqshbandi:
sister Sana here is site for reference 5 only plz neglect other references, as i dont guarantee about them,(as they can be false)
but reference five about sunni book can be seen from here ,,,,
Hes asking me to Accept the reference which is going in his Favor from Allah hu akbar site and reject others, as he cant gurantee that
SAiFi Naqshbandi:
sister Sana here is site for reference 5 only plz neglect other references, as i dont guarantee about them,(as they can be false)
but reference five about sunni book can be seen from here ,,,,
Hes asking me to Accept the reference which is going in his Favor from Allah hu akbar site and reject others, as he cant gurantee that
11:56 pm (5 hours ago)
Ali
Apologize and move on people.
The one who aplogizes first has a bigger heart.
The one who aplogizes first has a bigger heart.
12:04 am (5 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
what will happen if mudassar turns out to be your best friend ....
lolz,,,k ,,,i hope mudassar will answer this
12:06 am (4 hours ago)
SaNa
Saifi should Apologize and leave the hot seat...
As he has unnecesarily dragged the issue when the owner himself closed it...
he has put up false allegations on me;
1)I abused Abu haraira
2)I cursed him
3)I called him Liar...
He along with his frnds have played dirty politics with me....and They should Apologize !!!!
As he has unnecesarily dragged the issue when the owner himself closed it...
he has put up false allegations on me;
1)I abused Abu haraira
2)I cursed him
3)I called him Liar...
He along with his frnds have played dirty politics with me....and They should Apologize !!!!
12:08 am (4 hours ago)
SaNa
what will happen if mudassar turns out to be your best friend ....
lolz,,,k ,,,i hope mudassar will answer this
HaH....Ur running aWay...why do u have to Add Mudassar`s name in each of your post ?!?
What does that show ?!?
lolz,,,k ,,,i hope mudassar will answer this
HaH....Ur running aWay...why do u have to Add Mudassar`s name in each of your post ?!?
What does that show ?!?
12:10 am (4 hours ago)
SaNa
Rule #5
(5 bolour, fardeen, dawood, ali, ajaz bhai, Dr. khizer, sami will Decide after this debate will end and both members will present their arguments on every(single) point.
(5 bolour, fardeen, dawood, ali, ajaz bhai, Dr. khizer, sami will Decide after this debate will end and both members will present their arguments on every(single) point.
12:17 am (4 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
sana
i never said others will not be a part of the decision making panel,,,did i,,,,....
mudassar is the owner, n hence his decision is also imp,,,n i hope he wont make a decision bcz he is my friend ,,,...
if u are finished with the first point then lets discuss other hadiths u quoted ,sahih hADITHS I MEAN and the words u said about SAHABAS R.A in that ,,,,
are you ready
....mudassar is the owner, n hence his decision is also imp,,,n i hope he wont make a decision bcz he is my friend ,,,
...if u are finished with the first point then lets discuss other hadiths u quoted ,sahih hADITHS I MEAN and the words u said about SAHABAS R.A in that ,,,,
are you ready
12:54 am (4 hours ago)
SaNa
Lets Conclude this point:
if u are finished with the first point then lets discuss other hadiths u quoted ,sahih hADITHS I MEAN and the words u said about SAHABAS R.A in that ,,,,
Ur taking Allah hu akbar site as ur evidence Against me Showing that i lied, and in My Scrapbook u said, forget the other references as they might not be true
you yourself are not sure about that....So i guess That says it aLL !!!
Lets take another thing from the same site, which uve taken as ur strong evidence against me.
'Aa'ishah - Radiyallaahu'anha- never accused Abu Hurairah of lying. However, there do exist a number of incidents where she corrected Abu Hurairah for erring in the Ahaadeeth he transmitted.
Of these criticisms by 'Aa'ishah, there exists one in Saheeh Muslim (Cairo: Vol. 3, p. 137). Specifically that Abu Hurairah related that the individual who at dawn (fajr) is in a state of sexual defilement, he is not permitted fast. When 'Aa'ishah and Umm Salama were questioned regarding this they informed that the Prophet - sallallaahu`alaihiwasallam - during the month of Ramadan would awake at dawn in a state of sexual defilement not due to a dream (i.e. due to having sexual relations) and fast. When Abu Hurairah was later questioned as to his source, he informed that he heard that from al-Fadl ibn 'Abbaas and not the Prophet - Sallallaahu'alaihiwasallam - directly.
Source:http://www.allaahuakbar.net/shiit
I end my case here at this point !!! and since you donot understand English nor analogies its useless debating with u coz u lack IQ to debate with me and regarding your other stooges Amir, Muhammad Ali, Kam and Omer…I care two hoots about them…
I have said my say and you have said yours
Let Raheel and Bolour , the two most neutral persons decide on this matter
12:55 am (4 hours ago)
Ozair
Believe me saifi, it will take more than 7 days, and i also believe if the decision goes in favor of sana, things will not end here as it didnt end last time :)
12:59 am (4 hours ago)
SaNa
If such a nice person like Fardeen can be removed from the panel….i dont understand how you are staying here...]maybe someone can shed light on this issue or you and your mafia group are forcefully occupying a mod's seat by threatening the owner of dire consequences if he doesnt keep you in the mod panel ?!?
i really smell lots of fishy things going on by your mafia group and you are trying to silence me because I am going to expose u and ur mafia group?!?
Since I belong to a syed Family, I dont think I should talk with every tom, dick and harry who wants a debate with me. I have my family's honor which goes back to Hazrat Ali (AS) and as such I will now expose the Truth and see to it that Justice is Served to all the members of Islam Community.
Truth is what Ahl ul Bayet stood for and Truth is what I will show to the appropriate panel and till then you and your stooges can wait…
PS: if u dont want to wait, and if u so want to ban me permenently, Go ahead and do that ....and please change the name of the community to :
SAIFI and HIS STOOGES' HIJACKED SUNNI ISLAM COMMUNITY
Thanks And Good bye !!!
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4:38 am (31 minutes ago)
Is islam community only for sunnis?
if you can't tolerate shias, i suggest you to join another community.
i really smell lots of fishy things going on by your mafia group and you are trying to silence me because I am going to expose u and ur mafia group?!?
Since I belong to a syed Family, I dont think I should talk with every tom, dick and harry who wants a debate with me. I have my family's honor which goes back to Hazrat Ali (AS) and as such I will now expose the Truth and see to it that Justice is Served to all the members of Islam Community.
Truth is what Ahl ul Bayet stood for and Truth is what I will show to the appropriate panel and till then you and your stooges can wait…
PS: if u dont want to wait, and if u so want to ban me permenently, Go ahead and do that ....and please change the name of the community to :
SAIFI and HIS STOOGES' HIJACKED SUNNI ISLAM COMMUNITY
Thanks And Good bye !!!
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1:17 am (3½ hours ago)
SaNa
Just to Add my own Personal opinion regarding all this:
I dont think Mudassar is Infallible ...[Doesnt matter if hes the owner] He has his weaknesses too which I am full aware of..
So rest assured I will see to it that Truth is Out and this time not Half-Truths but Full-Truths...
I dont think Mudassar is Infallible ...[Doesnt matter if hes the owner] He has his weaknesses too which I am full aware of..
So rest assured I will see to it that Truth is Out and this time not Half-Truths but Full-Truths...
2:13 am (2½ hours ago)
Dawood
Sana
"thats a future event that he fears that if he again takes the governorshiip position his back will be beaten his money will be taken means all things that happened to him will happen again.."
Since i need to know the context of this story and that you interpreting that Abu hurraira feared his back being beaten "again". The quote you guys are quoting says that he "feared that his back would be beaten" but i want to know whether he said it because he had been beaten once before. I want to know the previous story and the context of it all.
both are quoting without reference and context, its getting hard to come to a decision.
Since i need to know the context of this story and that you interpreting that Abu hurraira feared his back being beaten "again". The quote you guys are quoting says that he "feared that his back would be beaten" but i want to know whether he said it because he had been beaten once before. I want to know the previous story and the context of it all.
both are quoting without reference and context, its getting hard to come to a decision.
2:20 am (2½ hours ago)
Dawood
Saifi
wrong interpretation does not mean LYING.
theres a huge difference.
Saying that sana is lying is a very big accusation and an insult on her intentions. She is not PURPOSEFULLY lying "IF" she is wrong in her interpretation.
It would be a great insult on me if someone calls me a liar when i am saying everything sincerely according to my belief/interpretation.
theres a huge difference.
Saying that sana is lying is a very big accusation and an insult on her intentions. She is not PURPOSEFULLY lying "IF" she is wrong in her interpretation.
It would be a great insult on me if someone calls me a liar when i am saying everything sincerely according to my belief/interpretation.
2:27 am (2½ hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
ozair
[manage]
Believe me saifi, it will take more than 7 days, and i also believe if the decision goes in favor of sana, things will not end here as it didnt end last time :)
Well how many days it might take, thats not a problem ,what Sana said should be looked upon and decide, and i hope things will end if sana gets banned or warned, if not it will be ALLAH will,,
daud
their is a difference in misinterpretation and saying that these lines are given in sunni texts ,.....what she said is she quoted sunni books, and lied that hadrat abu huraira R.A was lashed, removed FRom his position , (using other sects books) and that why an appology is demanded, or a permanent ban is demanded by members,
Believe me saifi, it will take more than 7 days, and i also believe if the decision goes in favor of sana, things will not end here as it didnt end last time :)
Well how many days it might take, thats not a problem ,what Sana said should be looked upon and decide, and i hope things will end if sana gets banned or warned, if not it will be ALLAH will,,
daud
their is a difference in misinterpretation and saying that these lines are given in sunni texts ,.....what she said is she quoted sunni books, and lied that hadrat abu huraira R.A was lashed, removed FRom his position , (using other sects books) and that why an appology is demanded, or a permanent ban is demanded by members,
2:37 am (2 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
sana
now instead of debating you are attacking sunnis personally ...and saying that this community is hacked only because miss Sana was banned for insulting SAHABAS R.A ,well i dont care, you can go on, my main aim is to show the members how you misquoted sunni books and how you lied and hence you should be banned,
Truth is what Ahl ul Bayet stood for and Truth is what I will show to the appropriate panel and till then you and your stooges can wait…
PS: if u dont want to wait, and if u so want to ban me permenently, Go ahead and do that ....and please change the name of the community to :
SAIFI and HIS STOOGES' HIJACKED SUNNI ISLAM COMMUNITY
Well one thing is for sure, until i am here i wont allow any sunni to abuse shias and any shia to abuse sunnis or start a sectarian clash which you did, and you should be banned for starting it again, and this time even lying about sunni sources .....every knowledgeable sunni can see this very well,,
If you call exposing liars who use other sect books edit lines fromn them to prove SAHABAS R.A as liar,unreliable, cursed as hijacking , then do think ,i dont care, but things will be like this
and a True syed will never speak lies from other text books,edit lines to prove his point .....which i proved you added many lines which werent even there
and yes not lets start the hadiths and the lines which you said after them, and lets members see about that too,,,
Truth is what Ahl ul Bayet stood for and Truth is what I will show to the appropriate panel and till then you and your stooges can wait…
PS: if u dont want to wait, and if u so want to ban me permenently, Go ahead and do that ....and please change the name of the community to :
SAIFI and HIS STOOGES' HIJACKED SUNNI ISLAM COMMUNITY
Well one thing is for sure, until i am here i wont allow any sunni to abuse shias and any shia to abuse sunnis or start a sectarian clash which you did, and you should be banned for starting it again, and this time even lying about sunni sources .....every knowledgeable sunni can see this very well,,
If you call exposing liars who use other sect books edit lines fromn them to prove SAHABAS R.A as liar,unreliable, cursed as hijacking , then do think ,i dont care, but things will be like this
and a True syed will never speak lies from other text books,edit lines to prove his point .....which i proved you added many lines which werent even there
and yes not lets start the hadiths
and the lines which you said after them, and lets members see about that too,,, 2:41 am (2 hours ago)
Ozair
Saifi,
There are sunni members who think that even the ban of 7 days was not required! I am not posting the complaints for a reason!
There are sunni members who think that even the ban of 7 days was not required! I am not posting the complaints for a reason!
2:45 am (2 hours ago)
SaNa
Cheap Silent Threats of Saifi Shall not be tolerated...
Enough of this Jungle Raj !!!
Some people said Yusuf is all sort of troubles and now we can see clearly which group creates troubles all the time and how they stoop down to lowest levels to get their things done and voices of dissent against Saifi is getting louder
its time the inactive panel take a decision on Saifi , who is playing games with his stooges, the proofs which will be shown in time...
And about sunnis protesting against me !!!
Even aqsa and aliyar protested against saifi and they are sunnis
Here, which sunnis is saifi talking about?!?
the sunnis who wanted to kill Usman?!?
I give two hoots to those sunnis who belong to your mafia group Mr. Saifi !!!
Enough of this Jungle Raj !!!
Some people said Yusuf is all sort of troubles and now we can see clearly which group creates troubles all the time and how they stoop down to lowest levels to get their things done and voices of dissent against Saifi is getting louder
its time the inactive panel take a decision on Saifi , who is playing games with his stooges, the proofs which will be shown in time...
And about sunnis protesting against me !!!
Even aqsa and aliyar protested against saifi and they are sunnis
Here, which sunnis is saifi talking about?!?
the sunnis who wanted to kill Usman?!?
I give two hoots to those sunnis who belong to your mafia group Mr. Saifi !!!
2:48 am (2 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
sana
you said in your above post
you yourself are not sure about that....So i guess That says it aLL !!!
Lets take another thing from the same site, which uve taken as ur strong evidence against me.
'Aa'ishah - Radiyallaahu'anha- never accused Abu Hurairah of lying. However, there do exist a number of incidents where she corrected Abu Hurairah for erring in the Ahaadeeth he transmitted.
Of these criticisms by 'Aa'ishah, there exists one in Saheeh Muslim (Cairo: Vol. 3, p. 137). Specifically that Abu Hurairah related that the individual who at dawn (fajr) is in a state of sexual defilement, he is not permitted fast. When 'Aa'ishah and Umm Salama were questioned regarding this they informed that the Prophet - sallallaahu`alaihiwasallam - during the month of Ramadan would awake at dawn in a state of sexual defilement not due to a dream (i.e. due to having sexual relations) and fast. When Abu Hurairah was later questioned as to his source, he informed that he heard that from al-Fadl ibn 'Abbaas and not the Prophet - Sallallaahu'alaihiwasallam - directly.
Source:http://www.allaahuakbar.net/shiites/in_defense_of_abu_hurairah.htm
again the same lie
Now every one can see how Miss sana only quoted one paragraph from that website to prove her point,
its just like taking 3 lines from a 7 page esay and making a conclusion based on those three lines
first Sana you yourself quoted
'Aa'ishah - Radiyallaahu'anha- never accused Abu Hurairah of lying.
but you said in the community
ABu huraira R.a was the most unreliable person ...even companion of PROPHET SAW HADRAT UMAR R.A,,,wife of PROPHET HADRAT AYESHA R.A and HADRAT ALI R.A used to criticize him for telling lies in the name of PROPhET
http://www.orkut.com/AlbumZoom.aspx?uid=331604420493763888&pid=18
Sana just look how you hav twisted facts right here,,,,,
you yourself are not sure about that....So i guess That says it aLL !!!
Lets take another thing from the same site, which uve taken as ur strong evidence against me.
'Aa'ishah - Radiyallaahu'anha- never accused Abu Hurairah of lying. However, there do exist a number of incidents where she corrected Abu Hurairah for erring in the Ahaadeeth he transmitted.
Of these criticisms by 'Aa'ishah, there exists one in Saheeh Muslim (Cairo: Vol. 3, p. 137). Specifically that Abu Hurairah related that the individual who at dawn (fajr) is in a state of sexual defilement, he is not permitted fast. When 'Aa'ishah and Umm Salama were questioned regarding this they informed that the Prophet - sallallaahu`alaihiwasallam - during the month of Ramadan would awake at dawn in a state of sexual defilement not due to a dream (i.e. due to having sexual relations) and fast. When Abu Hurairah was later questioned as to his source, he informed that he heard that from al-Fadl ibn 'Abbaas and not the Prophet - Sallallaahu'alaihiwasallam - directly.
Source:http://www.allaahuakbar.net/shii
again the same lie
Now every one can see how Miss sana only quoted one paragraph from that website to prove her point,
its just like taking 3 lines from a 7 page esay and making a conclusion based on those three lines
first Sana you yourself quoted
'Aa'ishah - Radiyallaahu'anha- never accused Abu Hurairah of lying.
but you said in the community
ABu huraira R.a was the most unreliable person ...even companion of PROPHET SAW HADRAT UMAR R.A,,,wife of PROPHET HADRAT AYESHA R.A and HADRAT ALI R.A used to criticize him for telling lies in the name of PROPhET
http://www.orkut.com/AlbumZoom.aspx?uid
Sana just look how you hav twisted facts right here,,,,,
2:52 am (2 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
for all members
here is the full paragraph from point number 4 from that website
look how she quoted out of contexts
Al-Zirkashi (Cairo: p.57) informs that the ruling delivered by Abu Hurairah was initially the ruling given by the Prophet -Sallallaahu'alaihiwasallam - but was later abrogated. This abrogation it seems did not reach Abu Hurairah. That the ruling was abrogated is echoed in the verses regarding the permissibility of sexual relations with one's women during the night of Ramadan.
Moreover, it should be noted that a number of the leading scholars among the second generation (tabi'in), held the same opinion of Abu Hurairah. Among them was 'Aa'ishah's nephew, 'Urwa ibn al-Zubayr. It seems that 'Urwa interpreted 'Aa'ishah's statement to indicate a ruling specific to the Prophet -Sallallaahu'alaihiwasallam - and not general for the Ummah. This opinion was also held by Tawus, 'Ata', Salim ibn 'Abd Allah ibn 'Umar, al-Hasan al-Basri, and Ibrahim al-Nakha'i. And thus we see this opinion among the scholars of the tabi'in in the cities of Makka, al-Madina, al-Basra, and al-Kufa.
Moreover, there are incidents which show that 'Aa'ishah did not consider Abu Hurairah to be a liar even if she corrected him at times. Among which is that 'Aa'ishah confirmed a Ahaadeeth related by Abu Hurairah regarding the reward for following a funeral bier which was questioned by Ibn 'Umar. This is reported by al-Bukhaaree and Muslim. (See al-'Izzi, pp. 234-235)
Al-'Izzi (p. 110) also shows that when 'Aa'ishah and Hafsa died Abu Hurairah led the funeral prayers and Ibn 'Umar was among the attendees. This is reported by al-Bukhaaree in his Tarikh al-Saghir, p. 52. Al-Hakim reports in al-Mustadrak (Vol. 4, p. 6), that Ibn 'Umar was among the people and had no objections.
Sana you again quoted sunni sources out of context and showed as if HADRAT ABU HURAIRA R.A is cursed(naoozbila) when HE R.A was praised
look how she quoted out of contexts
Al-Zirkashi (Cairo: p.57) informs that the ruling delivered by Abu Hurairah was initially the ruling given by the Prophet -Sallallaahu'alaihiwasallam - but was later abrogated. This abrogation it seems did not reach Abu Hurairah. That the ruling was abrogated is echoed in the verses regarding the permissibility of sexual relations with one's women during the night of Ramadan.
Moreover, it should be noted that a number of the leading scholars among the second generation (tabi'in), held the same opinion of Abu Hurairah. Among them was 'Aa'ishah's nephew, 'Urwa ibn al-Zubayr. It seems that 'Urwa interpreted 'Aa'ishah's statement to indicate a ruling specific to the Prophet -Sallallaahu'alaihiwasallam - and not general for the Ummah. This opinion was also held by Tawus, 'Ata', Salim ibn 'Abd Allah ibn 'Umar, al-Hasan al-Basri, and Ibrahim al-Nakha'i. And thus we see this opinion among the scholars of the tabi'in in the cities of Makka, al-Madina, al-Basra, and al-Kufa.
Moreover, there are incidents which show that 'Aa'ishah did not consider Abu Hurairah to be a liar even if she corrected him at times.
Among which is that 'Aa'ishah confirmed a Ahaadeeth related by Abu Hurairah regarding the reward for following a funeral bier which was questioned by Ibn 'Umar. This is reported by al-Bukhaaree and Muslim. (See al-'Izzi, pp. 234-235)Al-'Izzi (p. 110) also shows that when 'Aa'ishah and Hafsa died Abu Hurairah led the funeral prayers and Ibn 'Umar was among the attendees.
This is reported by al-Bukhaaree in his Tarikh al-Saghir, p. 52. Al-Hakim reports in al-Mustadrak (Vol. 4, p. 6), that Ibn 'Umar was among the people and had no objections.Sana you again quoted sunni sources out of context and showed as if HADRAT ABU HURAIRA R.A is cursed(naoozbila) when HE R.A was praised
2:53 am (2 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
ozair
this is a debate thread b/t me and sana,,,not about Ban ,,,plz delete your posts and go to mods thread for discussion if you will
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And, she was banned after that for 3 days, wasnt she? Banned on October 26-28
I second that !
I was banned for 3 days for that post....you said you reduced it to 1 day, although the mods thread says it was for 2 days...
bro, the thing is if she will use her own sources, will u accept them, no right?
if she committed a mistake in ur opinion, why cant u forgive her?
offcourse, Ask her to appologize, and this matter will be finished,members are asking the same and this is why she got banned when she raised the issue again herself,in mods thread,,,, or i will keep proving how she edited words from sunni sources (only),,, and showed lines out of context ...i have several examples of this
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Saifi, see your civilized manner of speaking to a woman ..
Sana lies, Sana a Liar...and God knows what :)
OH,,you felt bad when i called you a liar with proofs right ...
.but when you
cursed SAHABAS R.A(you quoted sunni sources,where they were not)
,said they were lashed ,(you quoted sunni sources,where they were not)
Said they were liars,(you quoted sunni sources,where they were not)
Said they were unreliable(you quoted sunni sources,where they were not)
What about all that , you are still defending all this, Sana this matter is not as simple as you are taking it, for me atleast, whether you call it politics or whatever, but its all about Defending SAHABAS R.A ,and i wont stop it ,,,
And Ask saifi, is he willing to let go of the issue? he only ignored the decision of the owner! that doesnt show the forgiving attitude but his obsession with getting me banned permanantly
this is explained here http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=21165834&tid=2564283960352858362&na=2&nst=18
....members who wish to read my point of view can, and i have talked to mudassar about this even,
SAna now instead of attacking me personally, its better to explain above hadith i quoted .....where you proved that AYESHA R.A cursed HADRAT ABU HURAIRA R.A....do prove how,,
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2:58 am (2 hours ago)
-=[]๓µ™αђรαη[]=-
guys plz...forgive and forget..
it is Sana's beliefs, and we cannot term someone's beliefs' as a lie!
this is the reason we have a Ale Sunnah Wal Jammah, and Shiit'e School of thoughts.. they are there for reason. so plz ppl, forgive and forget..
it is Sana's beliefs, and we cannot term someone's beliefs' as a lie!
this is the reason we have a Ale Sunnah Wal Jammah, and Shiit'e School of thoughts.. they are there for reason. so plz ppl, forgive and forget..
3:01 am (2 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
members can see how Sana again in mods thread quoted sunni texts again ,even this time out of context,
Sana words about SAHABAS R>A
Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 –
the Examiner said that the narrators are trustworthy.
We Shias admit the truth from wherever it comes. If Abu Hurairah said something true then we will accept from him but if he lies, then we will reject it.
Where as above you quoted material fromn that website which Says ABU HURAIRA R.A was never accused of liying infrontby AYESHA R.A
Sana also said
Even "umm ul momineen" is calling him a liar:
All her words can be seen here
http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=21165834&tid=2564039623960408896&na=3&nst=11&nid=21165834-2564039623960408896-2564072882067942188
and now she is quoting that ayesha R./a never said abu huraira R.A lied from a sunni website
members can clearly look at this ,,,and how she is trying to change the topic by attacking me,sufism,suuni members and trying to provoke us
but we will prefer to stick to this topic instead of acting in a childish manner,
Sana words about SAHABAS R>A
Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 –
the Examiner said that the narrators are trustworthy.
We Shias admit the truth from wherever it comes. If Abu Hurairah said something true then we will accept from him but if he lies, then we will reject it.
Where as above you quoted material fromn that website which Says ABU HURAIRA R.A was never accused of liying infrontby AYESHA R.A
Sana also said
Even "umm ul momineen" is calling him a liar:
All her words can be seen here
http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=
and now she is quoting that ayesha R./a never said abu huraira R.A lied from a sunni website
members can clearly look at this ,,,and how she is trying to change the topic by attacking me,sufism,suuni members and trying to provoke us
but we will prefer to stick to this topic instead of acting in a childish manner,
3:01 am (2 hours ago)
SaNa
The site Says :
Of these criticisms by 'Aa'ishah, there exists one in Saheeh Muslim (Cairo: Vol. 3, p. 137)
I said:
"even companion of PROPHET SAW HADRAT UMAR R.A,,,wife of PROPHET HADRAT AYESHA R.A and HADRAT ALI R.A used to criticize him for telling lies in the name of PROPhET"
THERE IS NOT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE
this is a debate thread b/t me and sana,,,not about Ban ,,,plz delete your posts and go to mods thread for discussion if you will
Saifi i dont debate with unintelligent nincompoops like you
U should be removed from the panel, as you along with your stooges have played enough games with Everyone...Its time all of you are shown the door !!!
enough of hijacking of community in name of sufi barelvi...You and ur stooges are neither sufis nor barelvis...But some CHEAP MAFIA GANG !!!
Ahsan
guys plz...forgive and forget..
i dont demand forgiveness, i demand JUSTICE against these STOOGES !!!
Of these criticisms by 'Aa'ishah, there exists one in Saheeh Muslim (Cairo: Vol. 3, p. 137)
I said:
"even companion of PROPHET SAW HADRAT UMAR R.A,,,wife of PROPHET HADRAT AYESHA R.A and HADRAT ALI R.A used to criticize him for telling lies in the name of PROPhET"
THERE IS NOT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE
this is a debate thread b/t me and sana,,,not about Ban ,,,plz delete your posts and go to mods thread for discussion if you will
Saifi i dont debate with unintelligent nincompoops like you
U should be removed from the panel, as you along with your stooges have played enough games with Everyone...Its time all of you are shown the door !!!
enough of hijacking of community in name of sufi barelvi...You and ur stooges are neither sufis nor barelvis...But some CHEAP MAFIA GANG !!!
Ahsan
guys plz...forgive and forget..
i dont demand forgiveness, i demand JUSTICE against these STOOGES !!!
3:04 am (2 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
ahsan
of people quote their beliefs from thier own book i have no problem,,,,but Sana used sunni texts to prove SAHABAS R.A were cursed/lashed and corrupted
This is why i am calling her a liar, bcz she edited lines from sunni sourcs and presented a wrong pic, which is not the case,,,
go and check this debate from the start, you will know the acutal story,,
This is why i am calling her a liar, bcz she edited lines from sunni sourcs and presented a wrong pic, which is not the case,,,
go and check this debate from the start, you will know the acutal story,,
3:06 am (2 hours ago)
-=[]๓µ™αђรαη[]=-
i dont demand forgiveness, i demand JUSTICE against these STOOGES !!!
the justice that you demand here is very objective.. why dont u leave this matter to Allah, as he is the best judge... Sana, i am saying that You and Saifi both should forgive each other...and finish this issue...let bygones be bygones....
the justice that you demand here is very objective.. why dont u leave this matter to Allah, as he is the best judge... Sana, i am saying that You and Saifi both should forgive each other...and finish this issue...let bygones be bygones....
3:06 am (2 hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
.You and ur stooges are neither sufis nor barelvis...But some CHEAP MAFIA GANG !!!
Now instead of coming and discussing the actual topic, sana has started personal attacks on me,sufism and my sect,,,,....which i can understand why she is doing,,,and i wont get provoked by this childish attitude of her,,,
dont worry Sana, you still have to discuss all other hadiths anre words you said ,,,,this topic will be change by personal attacks,,,
PEACE
Now instead of coming and discussing the actual topic, sana has started personal attacks on me,sufism and my sect,,,,
....which i can understand why she is doing,,,and i wont get provoked by this childish attitude of her,,,dont worry Sana, you still have to discuss all other hadiths anre words you said ,,,,this topic will be change by personal attacks,,,
PEACE
3:08 am (1½ hours ago)
SaNa
And, she was banned after that for 3 days, wasnt she? Banned on October 26-28
I second that !
I was banned for 3 days for that post....you said you reduced it to 1 day, although the mods thread says it was for 2 days...
3:09 am (1½ hours ago)
-=[]๓µ™αђรαη[]=-
@Saifi
bro, the thing is if she will use her own sources, will u accept them, no right?
if she committed a mistake in ur opinion, why cant u forgive her?
@Sana
same goes for you.
bro, the thing is if she will use her own sources, will u accept them, no right?
if she committed a mistake in ur opinion, why cant u forgive her?
@Sana
same goes for you.
3:15 am (1½ hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
sana
now i am starting the other topic and will discuss other lines which you just said,,,
this was only the first topic we have discussed, we will inshallah discuss every single word you said by quoting sunni hadiths and books and you just misquoted one more again, from that website, out of context,,,
k you said
Even "umm ul momineen" is calling him a liar
Book 004, Number 1034
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: A woman, an ass and a dog disrupt the prayer, but something like the back of a saddle guards against that.
Sahih Muslim
Book 004, Number 1039:
Al-Aswad reported that 'A'isha said: You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses, whereas I lay on the bedstead and the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) came there and stood in the middle of the bedstead and said prayer. I did not like to take off the quilt from me (in that state), so I moved away quietly from the front legs of the bedstead and thus came .
“You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses” clearly shows the unreliabilty of Abu hurrairah in transmiting ahadeeth and umm ul momeneen herself scolding Abu Hurrairah.
This is what we got from Hazrat Ayesha (RA) who rebuked him for making women equal to dogs and asses
Now Your own sahih books is telling you sahih stories<<
Now members can see the above words of Sana,she said,
Now Your own sahih books is telling you sahih stories
This is the problem, she quoted lies from sunni books, not just misinterpretation ,,,and this is what she did every time
now Sana explain to me here that
these hadiths dont prove THat HadRAT AYESHA R.A is scolding any one ....as No name is mentioned ShE R.A is only making a simple point clear that women are not equal to dogs, but prayers get disrupted if a women,dog or asses passes infront of men,,
name of HADRAT ABu huraira RA is not mentioned any where, and neither is HADRAT AYESHA R.A saying it,
this was only the first topic we have discussed, we will inshallah discuss every single word you said by quoting sunni hadiths and books and you just misquoted one more again, from that website, out of context,,,
k you said
Even "umm ul momineen" is calling him a liar
Book 004, Number 1034
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: A woman, an ass and a dog disrupt the prayer, but something like the back of a saddle guards against that.
Sahih Muslim
Book 004, Number 1039:
Al-Aswad reported that 'A'isha said: You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses, whereas I lay on the bedstead and the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) came there and stood in the middle of the bedstead and said prayer. I did not like to take off the quilt from me (in that state), so I moved away quietly from the front legs of the bedstead and thus came .
“You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses” clearly shows the unreliabilty of Abu hurrairah in transmiting ahadeeth and umm ul momeneen herself scolding Abu Hurrairah.
This is what we got from Hazrat Ayesha (RA) who rebuked him for making women equal to dogs and asses
Now Your own sahih books is telling you sahih stories<<
Now members can see the above words of Sana,she said,
Now Your own sahih books is telling you sahih stories
This is the problem, she quoted lies from sunni books, not just misinterpretation ,,,and this is what she did every time
now Sana explain to me here that
these hadiths dont prove THat HadRAT AYESHA R.A is scolding any one ....as No name is mentioned ShE R.A is only making a simple point clear that women are not equal to dogs, but prayers get disrupted if a women,dog or asses passes infront of men,,
name of HADRAT ABu huraira RA is not mentioned any where, and neither is HADRAT AYESHA R.A saying it,
3:18 am (1½ hours ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
bro, the thing is if she will use her own sources, will u accept them, no right?
if she committed a mistake in ur opinion, why cant u forgive her?
offcourse, Ask her to appologize, and this matter will be finished,members are asking the same and this is why she got banned when she raised the issue again herself,in mods thread,,,, or i will keep proving how she edited words from sunni sources (only),,, and showed lines out of context ...i have several examples of this
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3:19 am (1½ hours ago)
SaNa
sana has started personal attacks on me
Personal Attacks ..lOl
Saifi, see your civilized manner of speaking to a woman ..
http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=21165834&tid=2564039623960408896&na=3&nst=11&nid=21165834-2564039623960408896-2564072882067942188
Sana lies, Sana a Liar...and God knows what :)
the justice that you demand here is very objective.. why dont u leave this matter to Allah, as he is the best judge... Sana, i am saying that You and Saifi both should forgive each other...and finish this issue...let bygones be bygones....
Guess you dont know, that ive been Banned thrice unjustly by this Moderator !!!
And Ask saifi, is he willing to let go of the issue? he only ignored the decision of the owner! that doesnt show the forgiving attitude but his obsession with getting me banned permanantly
and bygones have not been made bygones ...injustice have been done and now swords have been drawn and I shall not rest till Saifi and his mafia gang are exposed before the panel..
People have been falesely accused and banned by these stooges till Justice is served I will stand firm...
Justice to each one who has been wronged by these Stooges and till its rectified by Members of this Community......*Sana Kazmi shall not rest*
Anyway...I have now better things to do. And I will wait for the final decision, evidences will be provided on the manipulations that these gang engage in. And I am of firm hope that the sleeping owner will be activated to take TRUTHFUL and JUSTFUL action...
Personal Attacks ..lOl
Saifi, see your civilized manner of speaking to a woman ..
http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=2
Sana lies, Sana a Liar...and God knows what :)
the justice that you demand here is very objective.. why dont u leave this matter to Allah, as he is the best judge... Sana, i am saying that You and Saifi both should forgive each other...and finish this issue...let bygones be bygones....
Guess you dont know, that ive been Banned thrice unjustly by this Moderator !!!
And Ask saifi, is he willing to let go of the issue? he only ignored the decision of the owner! that doesnt show the forgiving attitude but his obsession with getting me banned permanantly
and bygones have not been made bygones ...injustice have been done and now swords have been drawn and I shall not rest till Saifi and his mafia gang are exposed before the panel..
People have been falesely accused and banned by these stooges till Justice is served I will stand firm...
Justice to each one who has been wronged by these Stooges and till its rectified by Members of this Community......*Sana Kazmi shall not rest*
Anyway...I have now better things to do. And I will wait for the final decision, evidences will be provided on the manipulations that these gang engage in. And I am of firm hope that the sleeping owner will be activated to take TRUTHFUL and JUSTFUL action...
3:45 am (1 hour ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
sana
Saifi, see your civilized manner of speaking to a woman ..
Sana lies, Sana a Liar...and God knows what :)
OH,,you felt bad when i called you a liar with proofs right ...
.but when you
cursed SAHABAS R.A(you quoted sunni sources,where they were not)
,said they were lashed ,(you quoted sunni sources,where they were not)
Said they were liars,(you quoted sunni sources,where they were not)
Said they were unreliable(you quoted sunni sources,where they were not)
What about all that , you are still defending all this, Sana this matter is not as simple as you are taking it, for me atleast, whether you call it politics or whatever, but its all about Defending SAHABAS R.A ,and i wont stop it ,,,
And Ask saifi, is he willing to let go of the issue? he only ignored the decision of the owner! that doesnt show the forgiving attitude but his obsession with getting me banned permanantly
this is explained here http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=
....members who wish to read my point of view can, and i have talked to mudassar about this even,
SAna now instead of attacking me personally, its better to explain above hadith i quoted .....where you proved that AYESHA R.A cursed HADRAT ABU HURAIRA R.A
....do prove how,, 4:49 am (18 minutes ago)
Dawood
Sana
"thats a future event that he fears that if he again takes the governorshiip position his back will be beaten his money will be taken means all things that happened to him will happen again.."
Since i need to know the context of this story and that you interpreting that Abu hurraira feared his back being beaten "again". The quote you guys are quoting says that he "feared that his back would be beaten" but i want to know whether he said it because he had been beaten once before. I want to know the previous story and the context of it all because right now it is you who seems to be making wrong interpretation in this point.
both are quoting without reference and context, its getting hard to come to a decision.
"thats a future event that he fears that if he again takes the governorshiip position his back will be beaten his money will be taken means all things that happened to him will happen again.."
Since i need to know the context of this story and that you interpreting that Abu hurraira feared his back being beaten "again". The quote you guys are quoting says that he "feared that his back would be beaten" but i want to know whether he said it because he had been beaten once before. I want to know the previous story and the context of it all because right now it is you who seems to be making wrong interpretation in this point.
both are quoting without reference and context, its getting hard to come to a decision.
5:07 am (0 minutes ago)
SAiFi Naqshbandi
^
bhai read my and Sana'sposts 21-30 ,,,this point has been discussed
the actual page from sunni book never says that HE R.A was lashed by HAdRAT UMAR R.a,,,but sana is saying that HE R.A was lashed according to the words in that page,,,
i assume she is lying because there is no where written that HADRAT UMAR R.A lashed HADRAT ABU HURAIRA R.a,,,,
infact there is NO SUNNI SOURCE which says HADRAT UMAR R.A LASHED HADRAT ABU HURAIRA R>A .....she added these words from her own,,,
view the words in actual page,,,see point [5]
http://www.orkut.com/AlbumZoom.aspx?uid=331604420493763888&pid=20
Sana is again quoting things from her own, neither in the past nor in future after this incident mentioned in the book HE R.A was evere lashed by hadrat omer R.A ....this is a lie
the actual page from sunni book never says that HE R.A was lashed by HAdRAT UMAR R.a,,,but sana is saying that HE R.A was lashed according to the words in that page,,,
i assume she is lying because there is no where written that HADRAT UMAR R.A lashed HADRAT ABU HURAIRA R.a,,,,
infact there is NO SUNNI SOURCE which says HADRAT UMAR R.A LASHED HADRAT ABU HURAIRA R>A .....she added these words from her own,,,
view the words in actual page,,,see point [5]
http://www.orkut.com/AlbumZoom.aspx?uid
Sana is again quoting things from her own, neither in the past nor in future after this incident mentioned in the book HE R.A was evere lashed by hadrat omer R.A ....this is a lie
Some more form these Muslim members and moderators of "islam Community":
Dawood:
"my question is whats your duty being a muslim??do islam allow criticizing or abusing Sahaba (RA)??"Is islam community only for sunnis?
if you can't tolerate shias, i suggest you to join another community.
Aliyar in Dawood and other moderators scrap:
3:09 am (2 hours ago)
3:09 am (2 hours ago) AliiYaaR:
complaint against saifi
i strongly condemn the attitude of saifi with sana as her case was already closed and a decision is already given by Muddasar on that issue here .
Sana’s 2nd Ban By Saifi On making Fun of Esteemed Sahabi (RA) Nouzubillah min Zalik
http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=21165834&tid=2560287151843977491&na=4&nst=127&nid=21165834-2560287151843977491-2562927798694066856
Repetetion of above mentiond usage of word will lead to some strict Action:-
So Next time be careful .http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=21165834&tid=2560287151843977491&na=4&nst=170&nid=21165834-2560287151843977491-2563324292860240122
i strongly condemn the attitude of saifi with sana as her case was already closed and a decision is already given by Muddasar on that issue here .
Sana’s 2nd Ban By Saifi On making Fun of Esteemed Sahabi (RA) Nouzubillah min Zalik
http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=2
Repetetion of above mentiond usage of word will lead to some strict Action:-
So Next time be careful .http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=2
AliiYaaR:
Is their any value of decision of the owner of islam community as saifi is over ruling it ? the members which he is saying demanding permenant ban of sana r mostly those who were theirselves banned from islam community for their behaviour and raheel took them back . and i can hardly see those members participating in any discusion in the community .Saifi attitude clearly shows that he is acting as a dictator making his own rules and making his own decisions without consulting any mods . even ozair , dawood , usman and mu ahsan are also trying to solve this issue in peaceful manner but he wont listen to any one and doing on his own .
3:09 am (2 hours ago)
3:09 am (2 hours ago) AliiYaaR:
complaint against saifi
i strongly condemn the attitude of saifi with sana as her case was already closed and a decision is already given by Muddasar on that issue here .
Sana’s 2nd Ban By Saifi On making Fun of Esteemed Sahabi (RA) Nouzubillah min Zalik
http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=21165834&tid=2560287151843977491&na=4&nst=127&nid=21165834-2560287151843977491-2562927798694066856
Repetetion of above mentiond usage of word will lead to some strict Action:-
So Next time be careful .http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=21165834&tid=2560287151843977491&na=4&nst=170&nid=21165834-2560287151843977491-2563324292860240122
i strongly condemn the attitude of saifi with sana as her case was already closed and a decision is already given by Muddasar on that issue here .
Sana’s 2nd Ban By Saifi On making Fun of Esteemed Sahabi (RA) Nouzubillah min Zalik
http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=2
Repetetion of above mentiond usage of word will lead to some strict Action:-
So Next time be careful .http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=2
AliiYaaR:
Is their any value of decision of the owner of islam community as saifi is over ruling it ? the members which he is saying demanding permenant ban of sana r mostly those who were theirselves banned from islam community for their behaviour and raheel took them back . and i can hardly see those members participating in any discusion in the community .Saifi attitude clearly shows that he is acting as a dictator making his own rules and making his own decisions without consulting any mods . even ozair , dawood , usman and mu ahsan are also trying to solve this issue in peaceful manner but he wont listen to any one and doing on his own .
12:31 am (4 hours ago)
Aqsa[dead busy]:
Assalaamu alaykum wa rahmatuallahi wa barakatuhuPoint One.1 Sana is Shia so Shias use sunni texts and interpret it differently .[They are wrong but that is what shia's believe] so case against aqeedah is null and void.If Shias are not allowed in the community then add this in rules.
Point Two. 2.Sana already was banned regarding that lying point so no point in banning again.
What are moderators doing? Is Saifi king of the Jungle?
Now i will present my observation and leave the thread for saifi and the members!
Nov 4 (1 day ago)
Ozair
My points on the issue!
1- Saifi banned sana for 15 days without consulting any moderators, 1 day ban would not have been questionable, we were online and he could have atleast asked my consent. He said he would post a complaint, instead he banned her.
2- I spoke to saifi, after discussion with sana, i told him that it will create bad image of the moderation action and if we unban her for now and wait for other moderators to respond till then, i gave him guarantee that sana will not use such words in the community and if she does, i will ban her myself, he agreed that bolour/mudassar will take the decision to which both will agree, mudasar gave final warning to sana. Case closed.
3- Sana was unbanned temporarily after i assured saifi that she would not do that in the Islam community. The dates i mentioned shows that she didnt!
4- The ban was removed to avoid fasad as can be seen in the posts mentioned earlier, the complaint remained on which mudasar posted his decision the next day with the final warning, case was closed.
5- I think we are forgetting the moto of the change, its not to make people leave the community but to make them more tollerant to each other.
6- She never posted anything after that on the community, her response/proof was on this community and that to defend herself, her replies have been reported as 'fabrication in interpretation' which i think is gramatically not correct, interpretation cant be fabricated, and interpretation cant be a lie.
7- She replied to saifi on the members feedback thread, which should not have been done in the first place as it wasnt a discussion thread, it was mearly a feedback thread. If she replies to saifi on that thread according to her interpretations, that cant be considered as violating the rule. Read raheels post on Moderator's Feedback Thread where he advises moderators to avoid participating in that thread.
2- I spoke to saifi, after discussion with sana, i told him that it will create bad image of the moderation action and if we unban her for now and wait for other moderators to respond till then, i gave him guarantee that sana will not use such words in the community and if she does, i will ban her myself, he agreed that bolour/mudassar will take the decision to which both will agree, mudasar gave final warning to sana. Case closed.
3- Sana was unbanned temporarily after i assured saifi that she would not do that in the Islam community. The dates i mentioned shows that she didnt!
4- The ban was removed to avoid fasad as can be seen in the posts mentioned earlier, the complaint remained on which mudasar posted his decision the next day with the final warning, case was closed.
5- I think we are forgetting the moto of the change, its not to make people leave the community but to make them more tollerant to each other.
6- She never posted anything after that on the community, her response/proof was on this community and that to defend herself, her replies have been reported as 'fabrication in interpretation' which i think is gramatically not correct, interpretation cant be fabricated, and interpretation cant be a lie.
7- She replied to saifi on the members feedback thread, which should not have been done in the first place as it wasnt a discussion thread, it was mearly a feedback thread. If she replies to saifi on that thread according to her interpretations, that cant be considered as violating the rule. Read raheels post on Moderator's Feedback Thread where he advises moderators to avoid participating in that thread.
Nov 4 (23 hours ago)
Ozair
8- Raheel has given full authority to bolour to handle things in his absence as shes elder and have experience more than any one of us, she has been asked to lead.
9- What she said here on mods thread was after saifi said that sana failed to give proofs to support her statement. It was a proof and it was her interpretation and it was termed as fabricated, even if its considered to be fabrication and even if her interpretation is considered as a lie, it was for her second ban and it it only validates her second ban of calling Abu Huraira (may Allah be pleased with him) as unreliable. That was said after the decision of mudasar and when saifi raised the issue again as can be seen in the earlier post along with dates.
10- If seperate thread can be created for sana's complaint, or posted in 3 threads, i would advise moderators to call sana to the community and defend herself. (Already done)
11- She was accused of complaining on Member's Feedback Thread, it was regarding calling a ummul mommenin as confused, That was a complaint on a member feedback thread and that is very much legal, nothing wrong in it.
12- Many people disagree with different hadith, they interpret it differently, they reject it based on their sect, they dont get banned! What she said was according to her Aqeedah, yes, their could have been a politer way like saying the Hadith of a perticular sahabi is Fabricated ... or just saying that this hadith is fabricated as the narrator is unreliable according to my aqeedah.
13- She didnt violate any rules in the Islam Community after the warning, what was posted here was in response to saifi's post.
Contd...
9- What she said here on mods thread was after saifi said that sana failed to give proofs to support her statement. It was a proof and it was her interpretation and it was termed as fabricated, even if its considered to be fabrication and even if her interpretation is considered as a lie, it was for her second ban and it it only validates her second ban of calling Abu Huraira (may Allah be pleased with him) as unreliable. That was said after the decision of mudasar and when saifi raised the issue again as can be seen in the earlier post along with dates.
10- If seperate thread can be created for sana's complaint, or posted in 3 threads, i would advise moderators to call sana to the community and defend herself. (Already done)
11- She was accused of complaining on Member's Feedback Thread, it was regarding calling a ummul mommenin as confused, That was a complaint on a member feedback thread and that is very much legal, nothing wrong in it.
12- Many people disagree with different hadith, they interpret it differently, they reject it based on their sect, they dont get banned! What she said was according to her Aqeedah, yes, their could have been a politer way like saying the Hadith of a perticular sahabi is Fabricated ... or just saying that this hadith is fabricated as the narrator is unreliable according to my aqeedah.
13- She didnt violate any rules in the Islam Community after the warning, what was posted here was in response to saifi's post.
Contd...
Nov 4 (21 hours ago)
Dawood
agreed to point 5, 6 and 12.
5- I think we are forgetting the moto of the change, its not to make people leave the community but to make them more tollerant to each other.
6- .......,her replies have been reported as 'fabrication in interpretation' which i think is grammatically not correct, interpretation cant be fabricated, and interpretation cant be a lie.
Both sides are now exaggerating accusations on each other.
Everyone need to accept the fact that sana is shia (NOT A SUNNI). There are difference of opinion and the argument she provided based on that one hadees (Abu Hurraira being unreliable) is purely valid BASED ON HER BELIEF
There was nothing wrong with that argument except that it was sectarian in nature.
My observation is that Saifi exaggerated the accusations on her and now even sana is exaggerating accusation on Saifi by taking the word "confused" and adding her own out of context and wrong meaning to the word "confused" based on the sentence in which saifi used it:
Now when he called Umul momineen as "confused" or someone who could not understand what Prophet(S) said....Could ALSO be termed as something really bad...which is also EQUALLY offensive in nature...
the red part is an exaggeration.
E.G.
I RUN every morning
I RUN a buisness
Same word (run) 2 different meanings.
Similarly
Confused (in the context of saifi's reply) meant as she didn't knew the whole context of what Abu hurraira was talking about.
Confused in his context did not mean something really bad or offensive AT ALL.
what i understand what Saifi meant to say is that Ayesha(r.a) was confused because she used to lay infront of Prophet (saw) while he used to pray and he didn't say anything. So what abu hurraira said must be regarding non-mehram women which Ayesha (r.a) must have not known about. (this is my intuition of why Saifi used the word Confused. It was not offensive based on the context of the argument)
6- .......,her replies have been reported as 'fabrication in interpretation' which i think is grammatically not correct, interpretation cant be fabricated, and interpretation cant be a lie.
Both sides are now exaggerating accusations on each other.
Everyone need to accept the fact that sana is shia (NOT A SUNNI). There are difference of opinion and the argument she provided based on that one hadees (Abu Hurraira being unreliable) is purely valid BASED ON HER BELIEF
There was nothing wrong with that argument except that it was sectarian in nature.
My observation is that Saifi exaggerated the accusations on her and now even sana is exaggerating accusation on Saifi by taking the word "confused" and adding her own out of context and wrong meaning to the word "confused" based on the sentence in which saifi used it:
Now when he called Umul momineen as "confused" or someone who could not understand what Prophet(S) said....Could ALSO be termed as something really bad...which is also EQUALLY offensive in nature...
the red part is an exaggeration.
E.G.
I RUN every morning
I RUN a buisness
Same word (run) 2 different meanings.
Similarly
Confused (in the context of saifi's reply) meant as she didn't knew the whole context of what Abu hurraira was talking about.
Confused in his context did not mean something really bad or offensive AT ALL.
what i understand what Saifi meant to say is that Ayesha(r.a) was confused because she used to lay infront of Prophet (saw) while he used to pray and he didn't say anything. So what abu hurraira said must be regarding non-mehram women which Ayesha (r.a) must have not known about. (this is my intuition of why Saifi used the word Confused. It was not offensive based on the context of the argument)
Nov 4 (21 hours ago)
Dawood
I would also like to say that MEMBERS need to stay out of it COMPLETELY.
It is non of their business to propose punishments on someone. Whether we give her permanent, 7, one day or even 1 min ban.
People are forgetting that Quran tells us to ENJOIN PATIENCE AND TRUTH ON EACH OTHER (Surat Asr).
But i always see people enjoining punishments on each other.
It is non of their business to propose punishments on someone. Whether we give her permanent, 7, one day or even 1 min ban.
People are forgetting that Quran tells us to ENJOIN PATIENCE AND TRUTH ON EACH OTHER (Surat Asr).
But i always see people enjoining punishments on each other.
12:38 am (4 hours ago)
Ozair
Just to finish what i started!
14- We had a discussion, we decided bolour/mudassar will take a decision that will be exceptable by all, mudasar did, Saifi overruled it by banning sana again.
15- Why did suni's didnt complaint to any other of the 8-9 mods we have not forgetting owners? Why does sunni only complaint to Saifi? The complaints against sana on which she got banned for a week was all reported to just one moderator, usually it is said to multiple moderators. Seems like politics to me!
16- Sana already was banned regarding that 'lying' point so no point in banning again. There are other members who were given last warning and dont get banned permanently when they violate rules.
17- I have received complaints from members saying that the abuse was wrong and so was the weak ban from saifi.
I have presented all my points. Saifi you may procede now!
15- Why did suni's didnt complaint to any other of the 8-9 mods we have not forgetting owners? Why does sunni only complaint to Saifi? The complaints against sana on which she got banned for a week was all reported to just one moderator, usually it is said to multiple moderators. Seems like politics to me!
16- Sana already was banned regarding that 'lying' point so no point in banning again. There are other members who were given last warning and dont get banned permanently when they violate rules.
17- I have received complaints from members saying that the abuse was wrong and so was the weak ban from saifi.
I have presented all my points. Saifi you may procede now!
12:39 am (4 hours ago)
Ozair
And saifi, notice that they are just 3 posts :p, the earlier were just copied from mods thread to give an idea of what has been happening. :) ... as i said, i will say all in less than 5 posts!
Nov 3 (2 days ago)
Ozair
My personal opinion (Mohammad Ali's complaint)
After sana is proved a liar every one can see that she has abused sahabas and called them liar, and she used sunni hadiths and books wrongly which brother saifi refuted and proved her a liar very effectively,
Proved liar on her interpretation and fabricating the interpretation? She called a sahabi as lier, for which she was banned (her second ban), she wasnt even given time to present the proof, when she gave proof she was banned for the 3rd time for 15 days.
i demand that Sana should appologize for her lies and politics when she even accused saifi of blasphemy and miserably failed , i also demand a ban on sana in case she doesnt appologizes to saifi for accusing him wrongly,
That was a complaint on a member feedback thread and that is very much legal, nothing wrong in it.
telling a white lie from Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 – an authentic sunni book which saifi has proved she lied , if she doesnt appologizes moderators should ban her for cheaply using sunni hadiths and books to support Ghustakhi of SAHABAS R.A.
Many people disagree with different hadith, they interpret it differently, they reject it based on their sect, they dont get banned!
owner should take strict action this time as she already is on a final warning
Did she violate any rules in the community after mudassar posted the final warning?
Her words are still written in islam community and are proved wrong, she wasnt banned by saifi as saifi took the ban back, now its time for her to appologize to all sunnis for what she said and the lies which she said by quoting our books wrongly and telling ordinary members alie about our texts, where as nothing such is actually written in it,
Where? Which words? Saifi said the same thing today before i left office, the ban was taken back and the decision was delayed, the complaint wasnt take back!
contd!
Proved liar on her interpretation and fabricating the interpretation? She called a sahabi as lier, for which she was banned (her second ban), she wasnt even given time to present the proof, when she gave proof she was banned for the 3rd time for 15 days.
i demand that Sana should appologize for her lies and politics when she even accused saifi of blasphemy and miserably failed , i also demand a ban on sana in case she doesnt appologizes to saifi for accusing him wrongly,
That was a complaint on a member feedback thread and that is very much legal, nothing wrong in it.
telling a white lie from Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612 – an authentic sunni book which saifi has proved she lied , if she doesnt appologizes moderators should ban her for cheaply using sunni hadiths and books to support Ghustakhi of SAHABAS R.A.
Many people disagree with different hadith, they interpret it differently, they reject it based on their sect, they dont get banned!
owner should take strict action this time as she already is on a final warning
Did she violate any rules in the community after mudassar posted the final warning?
Her words are still written in islam community and are proved wrong, she wasnt banned by saifi as saifi took the ban back, now its time for her to appologize to all sunnis for what she said and the lies which she said by quoting our books wrongly and telling ordinary members alie about our texts, where as nothing such is actually written in it,
Where? Which words? Saifi said the same thing today before i left office, the ban was taken back and the decision was delayed, the complaint wasnt take back!
contd!
Nov 3 (2 days ago)
Ozair
if a sunni is banned for writing against a shia ,then in this case Sana should be banned permanently for her lies
I think by now you understand the difference between abuse and critical analysis, lie and interpretation.
I think by now you understand the difference between abuse and critical analysis, lie and interpretation.
Nov 3 (2 days ago)
Ozair
Mohammad Ali,
This is what you are reffering to, and this is in Member's Feedback thread, totally legal! Members can complaint about anything, those complaints and suggestions will be decided in the meeting!
Now when he called Umul momineen as "confused" or someone who could not understand what Prophet(S) said....Could ALSO be termed as something really bad...which is also EQUALLY offensive in nature...
Regarding Kams complaint,
Read my openion that i posted on mohammad ali's complaint and also what i posted for moderators!
This is what you are reffering to, and this is in Member's Feedback thread, totally legal! Members can complaint about anything, those complaints and suggestions will be decided in the meeting!
Now when he called Umul momineen as "confused" or someone who could not understand what Prophet(S) said....Could ALSO be termed as something really bad...which is also EQUALLY offensive in nature...
Regarding Kams complaint,
Read my openion that i posted on mohammad ali's complaint and also what i posted for moderators!
Nov 3 (2 days ago)
Ozair
i think then omer should also be allowed to join this community, and give his opinion but he got banned for insulting a member,
I think you said on that discussion that you forwarded to mudasar that the two issues are not related and asked me not to compare them. I think that applies now too, i dont want to copy that mail i refereed to earlier today, read that again and reply me on those lines, or i will be compelled to post it here! I still believe that 7 day ban is too lenient and i appreciate bolour for that!
i think if omer got banned for not appologizing then this is a more serious issue which some sunnis have raised, as its about lying and abusing SAHAbAS R.A by using sunni haidths and Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612
which is an authentic sunni book, and words sana quoted from this book wer misinterpretations
You asked for scanned pages, she dont have the book, she got it from google, maybe you can provide us with the scan pages so we can look into the issue.
so i will take an action on it shorlty, i still will wait for some time for miss sana to appologize for what she said,,,,otherwise as omer got banned, she will also be dealt with same rules ,as its about being fair
If you cant wait for other moderators to read and comment on all i have said then i think there was no need to politicize all these issues! Thats why there are multiple mods. Dont compare it with omer. I will other wise post that part of the mail that i have been saying for 3 times now! If you ban her, i'll onject again :)
I think you said on that discussion that you forwarded to mudasar that the two issues are not related and asked me not to compare them. I think that applies now too, i dont want to copy that mail i refereed to earlier today, read that again and reply me on those lines, or i will be compelled to post it here! I still believe that 7 day ban is too lenient and i appreciate bolour for that!
i think if omer got banned for not appologizing then this is a more serious issue which some sunnis have raised, as its about lying and abusing SAHAbAS R.A by using sunni haidths and Al-Thahabi. “Sayr A’alam Al-Nubala’a,” Vol.2 p.612
which is an authentic sunni book, and words sana quoted from this book wer misinterpretations
You asked for scanned pages, she dont have the book, she got it from google, maybe you can provide us with the scan pages so we can look into the issue.
so i will take an action on it shorlty, i still will wait for some time for miss sana to appologize for what she said,,,,otherwise as omer got banned, she will also be dealt with same rules ,as its about being fair
If you cant wait for other moderators to read and comment on all i have said then i think there was no need to politicize all these issues! Thats why there are multiple mods. Dont compare it with omer. I will other wise post that part of the mail that i have been saying for 3 times now! If you ban her, i'll onject again :)
Nov 3 (2 days ago)
Ozair
yes saifi, i am amazed at the pace of complaints we are getting here, i will still recommend not to be hasty in banning her, it will go against you badly, i said this privately first, but now, as everything is being brought in public, lets make this public too!
Tell all of them to read my say on the issue and tell them to wait for other mods to respond too, tell them a decision was reached by mudassar, tell them interpretation is not fabrication and interpretation is not a lie, its interpretation. And if someone wants to create a blog on me, let me tell them, i am not opposing sana's second ban for calling abu Huraira as liar but i am opposing on how saifi held this case. No offence, this thing could have been dealt with privately, and you leave me with no choice!
Tell all of them to read my say on the issue and tell them to wait for other mods to respond too, tell them a decision was reached by mudassar, tell them interpretation is not fabrication and interpretation is not a lie, its interpretation. And if someone wants to create a blog on me, let me tell them, i am not opposing sana's second ban for calling abu Huraira as liar but i am opposing on how saifi held this case. No offence, this thing could have been dealt with privately, and you leave me with no choice!
Nov 3 (2 days ago)
Ozair
Saifi i warned you not to do that :) i asked you to wait for other moderators, i asked you not to compare it with any of the omer's case and now i will present my proves which until now i have been avoiding!
Nov 3 (2 days ago)
Ozair
Saifi
i know its creating a scene but you started it.
*We had a discussion, we decided bolour/mudassar will take a decision that will be exceptable by all, mudasar did, you overruled it just now. WRONG
*In that discussion, when i tried to compare omer's issue, you asked me not to compare it saying they are two seperate issues. You just broke your own rules. WRONG
*I am quoting the relevant part of the mail that raheel send to ALL MODERATORS.
... Both parties played politics.. I would certainly give both one last chance... Have anyone found playing any politics again, will surely be dealt strictly. Omer's ban wasnt strict, bolour was lenient not to ban him permanently, you compare it with sana's case WRONG
*Why did suni's didnt complaint to any other of the 8-9 mods we have not forgetting owners? Why does sunni only complaint to you? WRONG
*Omer didnt give any proof to the ALM issue, i didnt say a word. WRONG
I will still say saifi, leave it to other mods, we both will not agree!
i know its creating a scene but you started it.
*We had a discussion, we decided bolour/mudassar will take a decision that will be exceptable by all, mudasar did, you overruled it just now. WRONG
*In that discussion, when i tried to compare omer's issue, you asked me not to compare it saying they are two seperate issues. You just broke your own rules. WRONG
*I am quoting the relevant part of the mail that raheel send to ALL MODERATORS.
... Both parties played politics.. I would certainly give both one last chance... Have anyone found playing any politics again, will surely be dealt strictly. Omer's ban wasnt strict, bolour was lenient not to ban him permanently, you compare it with sana's case WRONG
*Why did suni's didnt complaint to any other of the 8-9 mods we have not forgetting owners? Why does sunni only complaint to you? WRONG
*Omer didnt give any proof to the ALM issue, i didnt say a word. WRONG
I will still say saifi, leave it to other mods, we both will not agree!
Nov 3 (2 days ago)
Ozair
Last Warning for Sana
Sana's First Ban. By Raheel On hurting the sentiments of Suni Muslim brothers and usage of incongruous words .
Our Prophet had a Beautiful name "Muhammad" Then why do we add lame prefixes with his name like " Aqa KAreem" or "Aqa saltanat" etc etc....Luks so Cheap !!!
Saifi ji...Maula is not a CHEAP word....
But Aqa kareem sure luks very cheap...
http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=21165834&tid=2561176240159402796
Sana’s 2nd Ban By Saifi On making Fun of Esteemed Sahabi (RA) Nouzubillah min Zalik
http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=21165834&tid=2560287151843977491&na=4&nst=127&nid=21165834-2560287151843977491-2562927798694066856
Repetetion of above mentiond usage of word will lead to some strict Action:-
So Next time be careful .
Thanks.
Allah Hafiz.
http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=21165834&tid=2560287151843977491&na=4&nst=170&nid=21165834-2560287151843977491-2563324292860240122
Saifi, where did sana violated ANY community rules in ISLAM COMMUNITY after this decision was taken by MUDASSAR?
Sana's First Ban. By Raheel On hurting the sentiments of Suni Muslim brothers and usage of incongruous words .
Our Prophet had a Beautiful name "Muhammad" Then why do we add lame prefixes with his name like " Aqa KAreem" or "Aqa saltanat" etc etc....Luks so Cheap !!!
Saifi ji...Maula is not a CHEAP word....
But Aqa kareem sure luks very cheap...
http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=
Sana’s 2nd Ban By Saifi On making Fun of Esteemed Sahabi (RA) Nouzubillah min Zalik
http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=
Repetetion of above mentiond usage of word will lead to some strict Action:-
So Next time be careful .
Thanks.
Allah Hafiz.
http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=
Saifi, where did sana violated ANY community rules in ISLAM COMMUNITY after this decision was taken by MUDASSAR?
Note: while every one can see how nice bolour is about the act of sana of disrespecting a famous Sahaba (RA). its not a big deal for bolour But as you people can see omer case he didnt apologize usman so he should be banned for 7 days and sana should be forgiven for disrespecting. this is the condition of moderators of "Biggest Islam Community" on Orkut.
